Hello everybody and welcome to Hold Up, the show where we dive deep inside your childhood nostalgia, pull the movies from your past out to see if they Truly hold up. I've got not one not two But three action stars with me today as we are joined by George Howard Adams. How are you, man? I'm doing pretty well.

How is everybody? We're surviving. What are our energy levels today?  Negative. Negative.  Negative plus positive so a lower number. , do you know how math works? No, I need your help. Yeah, because a negative plus a positive it depends on well It depends on the size. I think the negative is a little bit higher than what it is  Hey now everybody be nice  For those of you listening at home George is a renowned actor now, right?

Like what we call you a renowned actor You can call me whatever  Successful working actor who is you know, making his way up the ladder. Yes.  So I feel like I'm already winning  before I go to auditions and stuff like that. Just , life is good. , I have my few things that I really value, family, friends. 

Knowing I can get groceries, you know, yeah, it's in the car , you know  after that like this is icing on the cake, you know, he's being he's being modest He stars in Hellfest.  What else have you been? I was like, it's like I kind of just stay We talked about it though. You are like critical to the plot there into a sequel that never happened Yeah, I'm the only person that saw , the  the killer's face in that movie.

Yeah, I mean that's big. Yeah. Sounds like you're living the dream. Honestly. Actually, for real. Not the existential dread term, living the dream. You are actually living the dream. , I really can't get going without asking Kyle,  in terms of action movies.  How is your energy level?

Oh, through you, I saw that curveball today.  , alright, so  action movie  energy level today.  We're going to go for  , it's going to be a Mark Wahlberg movie, so you got to temper your expectations right away. I get it. , it's good for what it is, , it's going to be in between like the happening and shooter.

It's going to be right in between those two movies. So very bad and okay. Right in between those two. What about the big hit? Oh, Oh,  No. It's Mark Wahlberg. Yes. Lou Diamond Phillips. Oh, Lou Diamond Phillips. Bo Keem Woodbine. Oh!  It is produced by Wesley Snipes. Oh man. See now that's, that's more so I think, maybe the energy level we're all going for today.

That's gonna be. That's like Nirvana. Like I don't think we'll ever reach that energy level. , that is like Nirvana. That is, not the band.  Not the band. Don't sue us. , Courtney love. We're talking to you.  She's already talking to her lawyer right now. She's nice though. 

Her last name's love. Yeah. It's a beautiful,  well  on another topic. , so George, what do we watch today?  Action  Jackson. Action Jackson.  I, I'll say this, me, Andrew, and Kyle didn't grow up with Action Jackson. , we saw a lot of eighties action movies during our childhood, but Action Jackson escaped us, but unfortunately it escaped us.

Yeah, what a watch. a what? What a treat, what a time to be alive. , so why are we watching Axon Jackson? What does this film mean to you? Wow. This is one of the first movies that I remember. Seeing  the trailer for on television or at least the TV spots, you know And it just really jumped out at me. I knew who Carl Weathers was  It was rated R.

So I was too young to go see it in the theater but eventually it came on USA Network and I was able to see it and it was just kind of a zone of I would say transition in film and TV where  Black dude didn't have to be the pickpocket, you know, kind of thing. And, , it's like, oh, this dude has the same messed up mustache my dad has. 

But he's beating people up and, , doing all these cool things. , I've got to see this. And those cheesy jokes from the movie,  they're funny when you're like.  Years old they're funny Yes indeed for the reason why we do this podcast  obviously your subjective truth is not something I can Banter about but like just watching this movie  I can tell that if you were a kid and you watched this movie or you grew up with this movie in your formative years, this would be a staple for sure.

Would you say it's like a staple for you? Oh, definitely.  I don't know if you guys ever really watched many blaxploitation movies, but those were kind of big when I was a kid. , so you had shaft, , all the way to shaft in Africa.  They double down. Yes. All, all the way to them trying to do a, like a, , shaft television show.

And they did a pilot called, , Shaft Hidden Run. Oh my God. This is where he started trying to solve white people's problems instead of black people's problems on CBS. Oh, this is great. , I'm glad you brought it up.  Can you talk a little bit more about black exploitation films?  It's kind of missed on a lot of people these days.

, I watched Blackula a long time ago. Right. That was a huge one in the horror community side of things.  Can you talk a little bit more in case somebody at home is like, what the hell is that?

Yeah. , I don't know if you all are familiar with Melvin Van Peebles. No. So, he's Mario Van Peeple's dad. He created the first blaxploitation movie. There's this movie called Sweet Sweetback's Badass Song. , he was getting a lot of money from big studios to make , these movies that ,  were kind of degrading.

In ways he would write this great movie and then they're like, well, yeah, you need to do this Like there's this one called the watermelon man about  Yeah, exactly. Okay, this guy like he just wakes up a different race one day  and the studio changed it to the Ending where like he wasn't happy With, , the life he had or whatever.

, and Melvin wanted to get funding for this movie where , it was this black dude that was a hero that barely said anything. And he basically beat up a lot of people and, and, and banged a lot of chicks kind of  sick  brother  right on  . So. You know for people like Chase is saying people that don't understand cuz  I grew up in like white USA like there were I didn't have I didn't have any person of color around me until I went to like high school and even then it was like, , I went to a  A private school, Catholic school.

I know you went to an art school, but like I wasn't really around people of color until or Experiences of people of color until I went to like college. So like I missed out on pretty much all of that kind of stuff So , what is a black exploitation film mean to you as a? A black man, if that's okay to say, that's how you identify.

It's not okay to say. I didn't think so. I'm going to go, I'm going to go kill myself real quick, I'm so sorry. But like, what is it? He steps outside, you hear a muffled noise.  Yeah. It's, it's, it's taboo for me. . It's just one of those things where  like my mother's brothers, my uncles.  They were all like soldiers following Korean war and stuff like that.

And I saw like these dudes, they were tough guys that were family men , and things like that. But I didn't see that necessarily very often on television or in movies. And on the occasion that I did, it was just really cool to see. Like we. pretty much grow up, like, idolizing our parents and if you're sitting at home watching something and you see someone that reminds you a little bit of your parents or your cool uncle or whatever, you're just going to gravitate to it.

So it wasn't all necessarily  about the racial aspect of it, but, like, subconsciously it was kind of like, oh, well,  I don't normally see people  that look like this doing this. Yeah. Like,  If I watch football as a kid, see a lot of black dudes out there playing football and basketball and stuff like that. So it wasn't a big deal,  but like movies and television shows like,  okay, we've got. 

Mr. T  on the A team, which I love, but he also talked about this fool.  And  he wasn't like the smartest dude. They trick them every episode.  He was the one that kept getting them into trouble. Right. , so for me, it was just cool to see  people that I could relate to on a level that like, I may not relate to. 

I feel like, you know, you do have those journeys that different characters go through that are universally  relatable.  But occasionally you have this character that resonates with you, even , if you have like a medical condition or something, you know, if they have , a character that has crones and you have crones, you're like, Oh, this is so accurate, you know,  they get me.

And , that's just what it was for me. . So just would you would it be fair to say like it just felt like you had some representation for a role model maybe or Maybe even just  wow That's cool to see that character getting played by somebody who looks like me or has the same Background as me when everybody else's it's just white everywhere.

Everything is white. Yeah, it's fair because they were  We're also kind of at a point. I think this is still the case at times where   a lot of black characters are like  quote unquote from the hood.  I didn't grow up in the hood. You know, my  parents made me study, you know, ,  they,  I know that sounds messed up. 

We're cutting down stereotypes right here. On hold up.  There were like very specific things  That my parents had me do. I was part of the comic book club and stuff like that. So I did like these nerd things that weren't necessarily, yeah,  now it's cool to be a blurred as they call it, which I just heard that was a term.

I didn't know that. That's the first I heard of it. That sounds like a slur. Black nerd. Black nerd, yeah. Yeah. Woof. I'm out of it. We're going back in. Oh my God. Damn. I want to be out of it. Don't let me come back in on that one. Is this the most uncomfortable podcast you've ever done? No, because Andrew's here every time, so it's pretty uncomfortable.

Yeah, I mean, it's been worse. It's much worse.  Well, that's very, that's, for my own edification, that's , very interesting to hear your perspective on that. And I want to say too, like, to extend on what Kyle's saying and what you're saying too, because, like, at the time, like Action movies were the thing in the mid to late eighties.

Like we had predator, we had commando running man. And it was mainly, he just said three Arnold Schwarzenegger. Yeah, I know. And  Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone were running the world in the action movie industry. Right. So I do find it interesting , when you pick this movie, I was like, Oh, we see Carl Weathers who was kind of A second wheel in a lot of these things.

Yes And to finally get  that leading role and to me that was like really cool to see . Hey, you know we can have this black action star. It doesn't have to be arnold schwarzenegger It doesn't have to be sylvester stallone. It can be carl withers and the chance that they gave him like he fucking crushed it Yeah, he like that from beginning to end like Entertaining as hell.

What is he not crushed though? That's pretty yeah, I don't really have anything but like it's like just again like Watching this movie, like I entertained the entire time at no time was I like, uh, plots, uh, exposition. It was like, let's go, let's go, there's almost where you roll your eyes and you're like, what the heck?

But you, you kind of throw that out the window because of everything that's entertaining. We were farces recently for one of the episodes. It's very absurd. Like you just willing suspension of disbelief, like you go into this movie and you're like. Let's go. Better. Let's do it. He is Action Jackson. Action Jackson.

Yes. , before we dive in, Andrew, do you got some sweet juicy numbers for us to look at? Do I? Do I?  What, what year was this? 86? 88? 88. 88. So this is, oh wow. Okay. So this was around the time of Die Hard, right? Yeah. .  There was 89? Yeah, it was like right after that.

Probably filming at the same time, I would imagine, or close to it. That was, talk about, real quick, talk about the shift between action movies. That is quite a shift to go from those kind of movies to Die Hard, which is a little, I don't want to say much more realistic, but more realistic than like, you know, Commando, or like.

that was with the shift from the main action star being this like,  impenetrable beast to a normal dude who gets his ass kicked. Kick the entire movie and Jackie Birch cast that  she cast predator. You know, she ended up casting a lot of those things. She cast , all of that, 16 candles and the chipmunks.

Well, does what a resume we talk about commando predating this, but does anybody know that diehard was supposed to be commando too? And Arnold Schwarzenegger turned it down, so they rewrote the whole thing to be diehard, but it was originally supposed to be commando too. What a blessing for the world  on Christmas, no less.

Yeah, they just couldn't get it in the air. I don't know if it was like, he was already filming something else. I don't think it was anything negative cause I don't think they had a script out. I think he was just so busy that they, they went to a different direction and they were using the book that diehards based off of and , they reshifted it back to the book to create dollars.

So there you go. , some action movie facts for everybody. But Andrew, the numbers, what, what we got here? All right. So Anyone want to guess as to what the budget for this film was there's a lot of action sequences There's quite a few stunt doubles. There's a lot of property damage. There's a lot of studio use and they shot on location So I'm gonna say like and where did what was this in?

It was somewhere like Detroit, right? Yeah, but  I think they used a lot of the universal backlot They had to they had to because that car scene at the end. There's no there's zero chance. It's happening so I'm gonna say I'm gonna say  like  with Carl Weathers in there, too He's a big name. So I'm going to, I'm going to go a little bit more liberal.

I'm going to say like 35 million. You are way off George. What do you think? Way off? Mm, six, 7 million probably. I'm going to say 15 million. George hit it on the head. It was 7 million. 7 million on the dot. Yeah. , there's probably some change in there, but what did they make off of then? , opening week was about 5.

5 million. And then altogether. , 20. 25 million. Nice. So, you know. Made its money back and then some. I did. Depending on the marketing budget too, it did make a whole lot of money, but it probably was profitable. 13 ish million. Unless we were talking about Hollywood bookkeeping, you know, that movie, they probably wrote that movie off into some tax, but.

It sold a lot of DVDs back in the day. Oh, I believe it. I remember it being sold out. At Walmart. Interesting. Yeah, I went to like three Walmarts to be able to get it. I really hope his agent got him on a really good distribution deal or marketing deal. You know,  he did that as like, because like the name Action Jackson just serves as like, Hey, we're going to make toys and we're going to make toys. 

Did they make toys of it? Not that I know of. Oh, Rated R movie, I guess. They probably like backed out of that too, after whatever. Cause I think it received mixed reviews from critics. It did. It wasn't as well received as you know. ,  assuming they were lining up for a whole series of Action Jackson, Action Jackson 2, Back in the City or whatever.

Well, they did Hurricane Smith, though, an official, but that was the thing for like blaxploitation movies. There, there was typically like some, Crazy name and a normal  last name. Or there is like black and the name of an animal that could kill you. Black gazelle,  black Cobra, black Cobra, too. I like that. 

Return of the black Mamba. Pretty much. Pretty much. Oh my God. All right.  I guess we're ready to dive in, right? Like we're here to go. George, do the honors. Where does this movie start off? Oh, well, it starts off in, , Detroit. You hear a little Pointer Sisters action. Yep, yep.  That's how you know, like, you're committed.

I mean, you got that with Beverly Hills Cop as well. Yes, yes. You hear the That's right.  That's a good bs. Yeah. The Pointer Sister's big at the time. Huh? And you gotta have the, , the duo Black cop White Cop. Yep.   And the white cop is Biff Tannin from Back to the Future. Was that actually him?

Oh, it was him. Holy  shit. I did not realize that until now. It was him. That's why I was like, he's really good for a secondary character. He was like, he's very good butthead.  Would you notice that the. The black cop , really sounded like an actor in that. Oh yes. Very articulate. Yes. Over articulate.

Like he sounded like he could have been British, like American dialect, but it's like not a regular conversation. Not at all. No. Yeah. Not at your mother's house. Brent. No, he was like there. They were in, but they were in the car and I just, I'm like, I remember like When I was watching this, I was like, Oh, this is the movie.

It's going to be this kind of movie for sure. When they were, when he was like, um, what did he say, Andrew? He was like,  no, they were going back and forth. And he was like, ,  real fucker Rama at my place last night. Like,  okay. That's just like, if I was in the car with you and I'd be like, I had a lot of sex last night.

I'm not gay. I promise like this, the amount of homophobia in these 80s movies is like. It is a prime time and his partner shut him down to have some like quip about his mom. Yeah. Last time there was any pussy at your house is when your mom helped you move in. Exactly. Yep. Which I was like, that's such a good  comeback.

But I was like, this is okay. This is how we're starting off. Great. So, and I think we skipped, I think we skipped the opening scene cause the opening scene is where they're in the tower, right? With the business guy. Oh, I forgot about that. Yeah. Yeah. But, but like, yeah. So the opening scene starts with, um, the guy in the tower and we don't know what he is or like, he's what he looks, secretary, right?

He looks rich and powerful. He looks like he's, , he's an executive and he's also definitely from Chicago because he's like, did you hear that? Yeah. Where was going on in the roof there? Very Midwest, like very Midwest patently. , you could tell this guy's a dirt bag and , his secretary's over there doing all the work, , and he's trying to,  , bed her at this point.

They definitely have to say For our PG listeners. Oh, you don't have to go home right now. Yeah.  Scratch my back. And then he turns on boxing, which we see rocking.  Basically, like Rocky 3, , as an easter egg there. Was it really? I didn't catch that. Yeah, I think it was Carl Weathers and Rocky. Yeah, on the TV.

 It was very quick, like you could tell they were just going for it. They didn't get the rights to do that. No, but they Cause they did not show any of the face, it was just them in the turnbuckle  with both of their arms up. , then he turns away from me, he's like, what? This doesn't get you off and she like walks away and then next thing you know, we get  these guys in black suits just Jump through the window and repel from god knows where and Again, the amount of window breaking and the ease of the window breaking in this movie is is egregious But they easily make their way right through the window and they pretty much like kill the secretary on the spot They like slam the door on her face.

No, no, no He like he punches her square in the face and she go and it's like a slow shot of her just like Falling to the ground dead, but she goes through  a big set of glass doors and then hits the maybe it was the glass We'll say maybe the glass shattered her pelvis Well, and then this is where  the action really turns up George I know I laughed it thought of you like hardcore like he picked this movie for this reason right here because they take a grenade launch  Blow him out of the window And he just falls to his desk, but he's on fire.

So he takes an explosive round to the chest, blows out the like, I guess they're on the 80th ball, something. They're the top of the building. They're way up there and he's like falling. And I'm like, oh, he's already dead. And then somehow mid. Fall, which is like 30 seconds. You could play the whole Pointer Sister song through it.

He starts wiggling and I'm like, he's still alive. He's on fire. Yeah, and he's on fire too. And he hits like the diner below and the girls start screaming. And that's when we get , our two doofus cops to the Pointer Sisters. Also, those hit men, they looked so  goofy. It was like I was watching like REO Speedwagon, like break through windows to shoot some people up.

It probably wasn't REO Speedwagon. Honestly, we're in the 80s, so.  Uh, and then, so, they see this guy, , , like on the street? The pickpocket. Yeah. He's bad.  They showed him on the bus previously too, right? No, no, it was on the L. L or something. He's looking out the window and he, you can tell he's getting some sort of like big idea and this old white cop just comes up and stands right by his shoulder and like looks at him like, oh, , that's a nice juxtaposition right there.

Yeah, yeah. You know, they did that on purpose.  First of all, that guy was in that movie way too much. He was in it way too much. Yeah. Like you would expect him to be a day player. He was probably on weekly. He probably, Oh, for sure. Oh, for sure.

Dude probably worked a week and a half on that movie.  To just react to stuff. Yeah. Didn't even get to go out to la just as in Detroit, just having a good old time. Because, , he's got this urge to pickpocket and we're like, to your point, we're just following this guy for the fir.

And I was like, is he in a Coca-Cola shirt? Yeah. . Yep.  In a Pepsi city. Right, exactly. Yeah.  , he is a piece of shit. And so,  and then  he, then he tries to rob this like woman. Who is built like a tank. Exactly. That's the last person you would , ever want to go against. She had, he was like maybe a buck 50 and she was whooped his ass.

She beat the shit out of him. With the purse. With the purse.  I'm out. See ya. No,  not the target for me. No, thank you. I'm good. She didn't look like she had any money either. No, no. She was coming out of like an Aldi with a bunch of bread. It wasn't like she was like buying much. So he's not a very good criminal.

Let's just say that he's not very good at his job. Would you say that he was the stereotypical black guy that you see in most movies? He definitely was  during that time. That's, yeah, maybe even this time, still.  Stay tuned. Um, so,  They, um, So, and he still goes to jail, which kills me, , he just got his ass beat, like you'd think he'd just be like, the cops, the two cops that are arguing pull up and see this.

Right,  that was probably in the contract, we gotta put at least one black guy in jail. Otherwise we can't sell this movie.   Did they Mirandize him? Did they, did they. No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. They didn't even search him. They just threw him in the car with no handcuffs. That was before they had the cages in the cars and stuff,  if you chose her out of all the targets to pick,  And got your ass beat and got your ass kicked and you didn't stab or shoot her.

Yes. I didn't try to run away. I mean, she was like a Yeti  . Yeah. Yeah. She's, she was like Sasquatch in many ways. And then this is where they're like, yeah, we're gonna send you to Action Jackson. And , talking up Action Jackson. Like he's some sort of a mortal being Yeah. Yeah. Like they, they were the first men they sent to the moon to go without a space suit. 

Really? He's a cyborg. Do you remember any of the things that they said about him, like, off the top of your head? ,  I do not remember. I remember what you just said about the, , That one stands out. About the spacesuit, but I can't remember anything else they specifically said about him. Right there. Yeah.

No, that was there was because there was a lot they said quite a few things about him these two cops are just throwing dialogue at each other. Like it's like throwing paint on a wall and , but it's like a Jackson Pollock. So like, it makes sense to me. I like it. So I got a feeling they didn't have a script for part of that.

And they're just like, Hey, just say, just say, insult this kid back here. Yeah. Just insult. I'm like, whatever you want to say, we got it. This is the eighties.  That's exactly like wrestling. Just, Hey, we need you to put action Jackson over. Yeah. And insult this kid. There was one, I just looked it up because I couldn't remember it, but , they said to him, yeah, I remember one kid got re educated so bad his testicles climbed back up into his belly.

Yeah. Wouldn't come out. Yeah. It's one of those that, you know, makes your jaw drop. Like, oh, we're saying this shit. Okay. He went through reverse puberty because of Action Jackson. , they're trying to scare this kid as , they're taking him to jail.  When they should have just probably let him go and just warned him problem, but here we are, you know to your point That was in the contract. So they get him back to  the precinct and then this is kind of  They're kind of getting in a back and forth and one girl kicks a cop in the ball.

And they decide to talk to the hooker. Yeah, because he's trying to solicit a handjob from the hooker at the police station, which is why she's in the police station. And she goes, how about a foot job? And he goes, Oh, I quite like that. And she. Fucking nails him right in the nuts. And I'm like, good for you.

Good for you, kid. And then, that allows our suspect to run  and encounter Action Jackson for the first time.  He spills the coffee and Action Jackson looks up and you could tell like all this stuff. They're just, they were just trolling Action Jackson. But  I want to take a second because you've played a lot of law enforcement or firefighter.

Yeah, like roles in your career rate the cop performances we've had so far because she's run all over this precinct at this point It's like the cop that I aspire to be in movies  You know, I never get to play that kind of cop  I gotta be by the book. I did see the short of you with the baby and that cracks me up every time I see Oh, yeah, that's a commercial.

That was my son  No way. Wow. Yeah, so when he was seven months old, he got cast in a commercial. With me and it, that commercial is won four or five tellies and a, a destined show. Hell yeah. I never won a darn thing. And then he's cute. You know my sperms. There you go. shows up. That's part of you though. And just wins.

That's our pro-life argument. Folks win. , we just nailed it.  Don't, you don't know what kind of awards you're gonna miss out on, so get it done. But that's, that's interesting. He's biracial, so , we solved racism too. You did. Oh, beautiful. See? Yeah. We need to have you on the show all the time.

So we can figure out the words. We should just kick Andrew off the show and just bring in George. Can you please fucking leave? Yeah. No, I mean, I like Andrew. I like him. Thanks, y'all. Really, really piling it on today. Yeah. Feeling great, so thanks. Yeah, good. Good. You know, I feel like if something happened and they brought slavery back, he wouldn't tell them where I'm hiding. 

 So that we meet action Jackson at this point. And  he like talks with his chief at some point, right? Well, yeah, you get Mac from Predator.  So this brings me, this leads into what I was gonna ask.

How many actors from Predator are in this movie?   There's also  Billy. Mm hmm. Oh. And he's whole, and he has a fucking buck knife in that too. So that's not where I thought you were going with this. Really?

I know, there is a fact laying there. Yeah.  , this movie was pitched during Predator. No way. Yeah, Joel Silver , told him that he had a, , another boxing movie for him.  And he's like, but I need you to do this. Other movie first before you do this boxing movie and  that's how action Jackson  Came about and Carl was all about it because he was a big fan of blaxploitation movies.

That's where I thought you were going Yeah, I did too because I didn't know that I didn't know that at all. I knew that it happened on the set of predator Yeah, that makes sense Total sense of it because , that whole trifecta, the casting and Joel Silver, all like he influenced so many of those movies.

, that makes a thousand percent sense. And the overuse of the grenade launcher.  I have things to say about that later that we're going to get into. Oh yeah. That's that one little quote there. So George, what does Mac tell, ,  tell Carl withers in this scene, like basically talking to action Jackson.

Well, it's, it's what happens. With every renegade cop.  We had to take your gun away. Yeah, we had to take you off the street You almost burned the city down. You almost tore this kid's arm off. He had a spare  It's so good though and that that does bring me to another point real quick Which is the amount of dialogue in this movie is astounding There is quite a bit of dialogue in this for an extra Damn like in predator.

There's like A couple pages of dialogue, probably like 20. It's pretty quiet. This has gotta be 50, 60 pages at least of like , healthy back and forth. It's dense. But it's, but it, but it works though. It doesn't not work. All of it. Like it does flow very well. And they hired actual actors. Yeah.

Yeah. For real. In this too, you know? Yeah. You got Sharon Stone in this. Yeah. You know, Craig T. Nelson. Craig T. Nelson. What a legend. Yeah. Man. You got Mr. Incredible in Action Jackson. Yeah. In the same movie. , what kills me too is like, so I was thinking about this, I was going to see if you remember this.

So,  the back and forth between the cops, right? And the back and forth between Action Jackson and  the Chief. Yeah. It reminds me of a back and forth, just done worse. And it is between Will Smith, and I forgot his name, and it was in Wild Wild West. Do you remember that back and forth? You know what I'm talking about?

Where they go to the party, and it's literally a  Paraplegic versus a black guy in the 1800s. And they're just, he's throwing racism at Will Smith and Will Smith.  I vaguely remember what you're talking about. Oh shit. I need to rewatch that to compare the two. Stay tuned everybody that may be coming down the road.

It will be coming down. But it was, it was horrible. And when I was like watching this, I was like. This fits in the 80s. That was 1998. You can't really like go that far in 1998. So it's like it's it's different and this is like a 10 year span how we've changed so much and what you can do in that because I remember Wild Wild West got run through the ringer for that like back and forth.

Earth. And it was about the same as this, you know, it's very lighthearted.  It's going in deep,  and turning the knob a little bit. But like it is, it's interesting how 10 years has gone and then now no telling now, like I'm sure there are a bunch of people out there that would watch this and be like cringed, but Oh, I'm sure.

But those people aren't watching it. And that's why we're doing it. I'm sure my kid will tell me like. Dad, you can't say these things. You're like, when he gets a little bit older, I'm like, shut up, I'm Gen X,  say whatever I want.  So they have this back and forth that the chief and actually, and this just serves as , Hey, action Jackson's.

It's on thin ice because he's burnt Detroit down, which is already a burning city. So I don't really. Yeah, didn't Axel Foley already do that?  Yeah. There's not much more damage you could do to Detroit. Homes are like 40 there. Yeah. And so. They didn't even film the last RoboCop in Detroit because it's so messed up.

 , and then he says he's got a job for him. And he's going to serve as, what, the ambassador for the police department because the chief has, what, has to go to a valley? Yeah, Elon Musk, I mean, uh,  Delaplane is getting an award. 

The kingmaker.   But  he's gonna serve as the ambassador for the police department because this Delaplane who you don't know about at the time he's just kind of this rich white guy and he apparently actioned Jackson through his son in jail and ripped off his arm and Yes.

Yeah, it was like, literally, he ripped his arm off. Because his son was a sexual psychopath, according to Action Jackson. Yes. So, and they were like, you can't throw a rich person's son in jail because they were committing a crime. What do you think this is, Action Jackson? The law?  What do you think justice is?

And you forget to mention. Action Jackson went to Harvard. That's just like the random thing. Oh my God. If I had a Harvard law degree, I would not be working here. Why would you be a cop? Why would you be a beat cop to make your way up through the ranks? I'm sorry. Justice is more important than making money and being rich.

I'm really sorry. If you guys can please again, forgive me for that. I really apologize about that. That was dumb of me to even suggest with that 40 time that he has to have a law degree. It's like, what are you, what are you doing? What's happening? Yeah. Cause they said he ran track too at Harvard, right?

Like in the movie they were like, yeah, you have, you're all star athlete and , you went to Harvard, you have a law degree and it's like, what are you doing as a Detroit police to LA officer? What's happening? I was very confused because, but also , his supervisor is also like, Confused as well. He's like, but for real, like, why are you doing that?

 And I think to this point, I was like, is this what Hollywood thinks the ceiling for a black guy is? And like, at his best, he can be a cop. That's it. Even with a Harvard Law degree. That's it. Nothing. It was kind of like the overcompensation thing of giving him a Harvard Law degree, you know, like, after granted.

But, , when I was a kid, you'd read these comics in like, ,  T'Challa, Black Panther.  At one point became a social worker.  , did he really? Yeah.  And like , the Falcon, he created his own suit in the comics and in the eighties, but he was also a social worker. And it's like, Oh, you can do this.

Awesome technology, but you're a social worker. So that was just kind of the thing back then. Dealing with the worst things in humanity you can imagine.  

We don't have enough time, but there's, yeah, there's very interesting little back and forth. We get quite a bit of exposition about him and the fact that he's no longer able to do his fun duties as a cop. He doesn't get to just go around and shoot people anymore. Right. And this, he can't carry a gun anymore.

Can't carry a gun, which means.  A gun is showing up later. That is the gun on the mantle. They just dropped it. It's Chekhov's gun.  We're going to hear it at some point. Basically it serves to set up what little plot we have. So, we've got this guy killed. , they talk about it at the police department.

Action Jackson's concerned that there's more to it than just they  say it's a suicide. He jumped from his window killed his girlfriend. , don't you think it's weird that he was burning live and all this other stuff? And the guy's like, Nope, this is Detroit. No. Like, no. He set himself on fire and jumped from  80th floor.

Yep. And it's like, okay, well this rich guy, there's something more at play here. So action Jackson's like doing his actual job, like he's trying to figure it out. But he's going to Dela Payne's, like Delaplane, whatever his name is. He's getting the award ceremony. Yeah, the award ceremony. Detroit businessman of the year, I think is what it was.

Yeah, and he's super rich. He is 80s. , he is super asshole ish. He's got plenty of money, makes cars. And you get there,  and Action Jackson and him hate each other. They absolutely cannot stand each other. What's that name? Esprit de cool. Esprit de, yeah. Like, um, I don't know.  Asshole.  Oh, Action, and it rhymes.

Exclamation Jackson.  What is it?   Such a huge prick.  Not even a semblance of a real human being in there. And he does a great job playing this prick. Absolutely. , and then I think they go from there, they go to the boat scene, right? Yes.  So Action Jackson can meet up and have the one on one, and then it cuts to this boat.

Yeah, with Gamble. Yeah.  Yeah. There we go. Gamble is driving , the getaway boat. Yeah. Good. Great. But, the amount of jokes that we have in this part right here,  What do you, what do you call a guy with no arms and no legs on the ground?  Matt? What do you call a guy, uh, no legs and no arms on the wall?  What do you call a guy with no arms and no legs in the water?

And then they all get fucking murdered. They all get  murdered at that point. With speargun. Yeah, where are these  weapons that they're getting to kill? The guy with the switchblade that throws it like a throwing knife? Oh, he's bullshit.  No, that's not how those work. He's talented. That's very, that's very eighties.

It's very, and it's the same REO speed wagon hit. Same dude. So is it the guy, was it the guy with the long hair? Mullets kind of curly. He's dressed like Carl. Yeah. Like diehard. Yeah. I was like, I was like, we got a, we got a weird one on one right here. Interesting. It's an interesting gang going on there, but they have all the different weapons from everywhere.

And then how did that guy? I couldn't see this. , I was driving, so I couldn't quite catch this part. Don't drive and watch Axe and Jax and kids. Don't do that. That's impressive that you did that. I did it safely, shut up. , so what happens, , did he have A silver briefcase with him  or did they give that and handcuff it to him? 

Why why why just put the  bomb in there and let it blow up? It only had eight seconds on it when he opened like they were just like, okay, we can time this killing  Eight seconds, that's all we need The dramatic effect of him being on the floor opening up and realizing it a bomb and like screeching though  was beautiful I mean, yeah, it was great.

You realize your own mortality at that point like oh, yeah for sure  But , I was like this could have been this cat could have been skinned another way And then we're adding to the absurdity exactly which again,  we can't take it It is fun and it only gets more absurd. It's fun. And at this point, we're like, okay, we got this gang of basically, you can tell they're hired assassins and they're killing what looks, because this was a yacht. This was an expensive boat. This wasn't, they weren't just going out on somebody's pontoon boat and blowing them to pieces like it was.

So they were like killing these people. So, you know, there's something interconnected here and you know, it's going to have to do with Delapane or Delaplane. I can't forget his name.  Jesus Christ. I'm going to call in a fake Elon Musk here. So he's like, now we know. He is just this asshole, he's got, he's up to no good, it, and then it cuts to him  going to this, like, club and seeing this singer, right?

Is that what we get next? Yeah, Vanity. Yeah.  Used to date, uh, Prince. Oh shit, was she in Purple Rain, or was that somebody else? No, that was, , Apollonia, that was in Purple Rain, but she was in some of his videos. I figured she was, she looked really familiar, , I couldn't pin it.  She actually had a crack addiction and died pretty young.

No way. That's sad. Yeah. Well, that makes this even worse. What? Sad now?  Yeah. It was, I mean, very  On the nose? Yeah.  And we say all this because, um, , Della Payne shows up and he, like, goes in And meets the singer and he's having an affair with her because he's married He's mentioned his wife and you see his wife earlier because she's smitten with action.

Jackson at the ceremony Sharon Stone Sharon Stone Yeah, Sharon Stone the great Sharon Stone, which I thought well, we'll get there. But anyway    She got a huge paycheck for what little she did.  He's having an affair with this woman And he gives her drugs and it's like a syringe.

What kind of drugs? Yeah, yeah, we don't know. Pretty sure it's heroin. It's definitely heroin.  Stainless steel syringe. With gold plating on it. Yeah, right? So it's fancy heroin. It's top tier heroin. . They just needed to show some boobs. It was the 80s. They're going to show like. Some boobs.

Yeah, there we are. You have to. Yeah, right there. And I think we get Sharon Stone boobs after that, too. Yeah, you do. Yeah, so you get double boobs in this movie.  So yeah, because they're about to have sex and he basically gives her a bunch of heroin. She passes out and Did they even like go to have sex?

That's what I was leading to. I was like, you're just gonna give her the drugs? I think he gives her the drugs and then Has his way. Yes. Ah, yeah, that's what I thought. And it just kind of left 80's Andrew. Yeah,   Bill Cosby was supposed to play that role.  I think , we made it so long without a Bill Cosby and what a poignant, what a poignant interjection.

Very good. I've got my bingo card here. We've got Elon Musk,  like, blaxploitation, we got slavery. Bill Cosby. Now Bill Cosby. We're really going around the room here. It's a dinosaur reference. Yes. Yes. We'll have to get there. Uh, yeah. Well, Sharon Stone is in the movie. Hey. Yeah. But anyway, what's next, George?

What do we got next? Yeah, . If you even remember. I don't remember. what happens immediately after that.  Is it, was it the little, the luncheon that, , Delaplane was having with, , his wife and Voss? Was that what it was? Or is that? , where action shows up. Shows up with the photos.  Or no, no, no, he this is where he he gets a call from his friend Tony.

Isn't that what it was? Oh, yeah  So  every Italian guy had to be named Tony back. Yeah, what was his last name?  It wasn't like Vanetti, but it was something. Yeah. Yeah, it was something very Free tea or something very generically Italian. Guido. Mr. Guido.  Eventually they, they switched to like  Dominic would be the go to Italian name in movies, but like at that time it was definitely Tony.

, he goes with his friend and his friend is like,  Tweaking out on something. He knows he's about to die. Yeah. , he might be strung out in some drugs too, but he meets him in his apartment and he's just , Oh, you're not going to believe this. You're not going to believe this action. I don't remember what was said, but  I'll let you fill in , those spaces.

Well, they, they used to be on the track team in high school, . , then the UPS man shows up. Yes. Who happens to be Gamble. Yep. And then it's like, what can Brown do for you?  He shoots him for the clipboard and he says something when he, before he shoots me, he goes, it's COD.

 Cash on delivery. That's what I thought it was. Yeah. Okay. I thought it was, sorry. No money orders a cash to COD. I was  like cause of death.  Cause of death.  You would get like these late night infomercials and you could call these numbers and order stuff. And then. Whoever was delivering would show up and you could pay them.

That sounds like a nightmare to figure out. Yeah, that sounds hard I'm surprised like those drivers weren't getting robbed. That's what I'm saying. Like it would not work today. Never. Oh, never ever Amazon driver Cash on delivery like yeah, you wouldn't be able to pay those guys. People would stake out those Amazon cars and just Yeah, maybe that have, we would have, they probably do.

Do they probably do? Yes.  . He basically, that whole conversation , action Jackson finds out that there's something going on. Yeah. , he knows about the boat explosion now because he got back and saw it on the news when he, when he got back from the party.

So   someone's out there causing a lot of chaos and you find out from Tony. That  AWA members  are dying and AWA stands for Auto Workers Association Yeah, it's a union. Yeah for it's a union car industry. Yeah the union and it's starting  to come together now Cuz Delaplane owns a the biggest car manufacturer in the  country which makes sense while we're in Detroit Yeah, who could afford that car?

He has he has one car And it doesn't look like anybody can afford that car. No, no, no, no, no, no. Were we talking about the red car? Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no. Hot, hot or hottest. Which we'll get back to at the end.  But , when I looked at that I was like, is that a Ferrari? And I was like, no, it's not a Ferrari, it's too narrow.

. I thought it was a Pontiac Fiero. Yes. I thought it was a Fiero. I believe it is a Fiero with some type of body kit. Yeah, it's just a re bodied Fiero, which I was like, okay. I can deal with that. They didn't have the budget to destroy like a real Ferrari or a Lambo, but they had the, of course not the test to Rosa side panels on.

I was like, that's sexy. That's sexy. But I was like, that's, yeah, it's not a Ferrari though. Sad. But yeah, nobody could afford that car. No, there's no way and then and so like basically Tony divulge all this information Then we get the non millimeter round that went through him and just destroyed his inside somehow This is right after action left.

, I was like, Kyle is going to destroy that.  , no,  no, again, the absurdity would, it would not explode. It would just go right through and there would just be a little tiny hole and the clipboard in him.

Maybe out the back of him as well. Maybe. Maybe. Yeah, I mean he still would have, this killed him instantly. I don't know. Which, yeah. Just take it for what it is. We're gonna take, we're gonna gloss over it, but it was an interesting moment. We'll say that. We'll leave it there. We'll leave it there.  Godzilla does not get away with that, but Action Jack is 100%.

Well, Godzilla is a travesty, , and wasted our fucking time.  Fucking  shit, George.  There's somebody with information. I know who that person is. Who is that person? And it's the lovely, Oh, the, , whatever her name, Mrs. Delaplane. Yeah. Sharon Stone. I don't, I don't remember what her actual name was.

Mrs. Delaplane. I just watched it like a few days ago. I just watched it 45 minutes ago. They don't really mention her name. She was very tan in this movie. That's the most tan I've ever seen. Patrice.  I bet they did not mention that. I don't think they did. Okay. Maybe like once. Yeah, once, once or twice. That was one of those things where her agent was like.

Hey, she just can't be like wife number two  Give her a name. They're gonna pay me money and we talked about black exploitation But like women take a bullet in this movie Literally.

Yeah, this literally , like while we're on the subject, this movie set the women's movement back at 30 at least. Yeah. I mean, we didn't know OJ was going to happen.  So this was quite the shock at the time. Yeah. So in like.  We talk about the Bechdel test on this, this show. Do you, are you familiar with the Bechdel test?

No, no, no. So Andrew, do you want to explain the Bechdel test? You know, this one's for you, Gretchen.  The Bechdel test is a way to assess how women are portrayed in media or Books, movies, such as, , what we're watching right now. How it works. Two female characters. . , . Characters must have a conversation with each other. And the topic of conversation, characters must have to talk about something other than a man. 

And I don't think that's, , This fails. I don't even think I think it fails drastically. Everything. Yeah, cause I don't even think two women talk to each other, period. There are what? Two women in this movie? Two main characters. And what's her name? Yeah. Oh my god. Uh. The lead actor. And the lady that gets robbed in the beginning.

Yeah, yeah, set two. Yeah, set two. There are three. And she definitely doesn't talk to women. No. She does talk to a small boy. And, , Sharon Stone and Mistress, they don't have a conversation. And the hooker. Oh, there is the hooker. They're off board. That's right. Yeah. So, like, three of them, there's some type of sexual thing.

Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And Sharon Stone's character, which we're at right now, is just obsessed with Action Jackson. Oh, yeah. She's smitten. Even though , she is married. And she's just like this rich white woman and she's just obsessed do whatever for action jackson He shows up all cool and  she overhears one of the guards talking On the phone about murdering Tony, but ,  before this Jackson showed up to the luncheon That Delaplane and Voss who is the chairman of the AWA with Sharon Stone and dropped off some photos of dead Tony at the crime scene.

It's like, you know, look what you did. I know you did it and that's what sets off the alarms later Yeah  You know, Jackson's stepping out of , his box, if you will. He shouldn't be doing this shit, but here he is. What do you mean? Throwing crime scene photos on a, like a brunch?  And she's like, I guess I can't change your opinion about my husband,  but I can change my opinion about you. 

And failed Bechtel test. Moving on. So  she's, in their little mansion and she hears the butler. I forgot his name. He has a funny name. I got to look that up in a second, but she has, he's having that conversation about Tony being killed and all the alarms  start going off. , and then she confronts her husband about it who's on his way. 

To uh, what like some sort of meeting and he's like, shut up, bitch.  He rolls up the window manually.  Which is even more of a dig. You're like, I want to do physical activity to get you to shut the fuck up. Yeah, dramatic. Doesn't he say, they say something, he says something  to The time it's taken for me to talk to you right now is like, it's worth this much money.

Yes, he does. Yes. What a fucking asshole. And then Action Jackson shows up. Yeah, he just randomly shows up when she's deciding to leave and , the henchman, this, this not Al Long because, , Al is always the henchman before. Final boss guy always  That's written in his contract  must  But then they go off in his 1967 Chevrolet Impala convertible.

Yeah. Beautiful car. Yes. Truly. That passes all my car tests for this movie. That holds up. Beautiful. We'll tell you that right now, folks. Free.  Then he escorts her out, basically getting her killed at this point. Because like the henchmen watched this and I was like, Action, you asshole. , you just basically interrogated her husband. 

Illegally, right?  And then you go  and show up at her home and take her away. Like, do you think that there's not going to be repercussions from her? There's already two people dead. He's like, I don't care. I'm the star of this movie. 

I'm not dying.  Nothing can happen to me. This is some awful police work . Right. Like to the next level. You should have used that law degree. Yeah. Hey, why didn't he, that is why he did use law degree. 'cause  he knew all the ins and outs and he said there's no laws in the book to say I can't do this shit.

So, yeah. Boom, boom, told us. There are this, there are this, there's like a legal search and seizure. Yeah, there is a lot. But it's Detroit. I mean, do you really follow that? Everybody's under someone else's payroll. Like I, yeah. In this movie, it's Delaplane. So in Robocop, it was the big cyber tech company. So here we are.

Um, , so he takes her away starting the death clock on her. , , I can't really remember what happens. So , they're at like an establishment. They have a few drinks. She spills her guts on what she heard. Cartier. The butler's name is Cartier. Uh, um, they walk outside. They walk outside. And then who?

He was driving a taxi. Yeah. Gamble just happened to have enough speed  built up for the exact moment to walk outside for his 5, 000 miles. Jesus  Christ. Not like a main road, like a busy main road in downtown Detroit. Just.  He tries to clip him, ram him to the wall, pin him. And Action Jackson saves, , Miss Delaplane.

He pulls her to the side. And then fucking proceeds to run down this taxi. But not before saying, I've gotta catch a cab. Yeah,  and that's how we know we're in it now. We're in the pocket. , this is when we have fun.  But yeah, they, , this whole sequence. Kyle, you're a runner.

How fast would someone have to be moving to catch that car? Well, I mean, if he was going 75 miles per hour, it wasn't that fast. He was probably, because he clipped a couple of cars, and I think that slowed him down, theoretically. If we're being realistic, okay. That car is probably going maximum like 20 miles an hour and the fastest sprinters in the world can go about 23 to 25 miles an hour.

I think Usain Bolt is around like the top end of that. So like, but that is for like a hundred meters, 40, 50, a hundred meters.  And they turned a corner and they turn a corner and there's no and  what position did he was a middle linebacker or a linebacker?

So the Raiders yes, big beefy guy go ahead and say  no that didn't happen I mean linebackers can be fast for sure, but like his short distances like  He was a sprinter so we give him the benefit  and that was a very old Ford something or another. I don't know what it was doing it while talking, which, you know, completely anaerobic movement.

I'll give it to him. , and he was moving around people zagging and that car was not going 25 miles per hour. That thing got to speed with dress shoes.  Didn't he have  like he had pants, like slacks and like a tucked in shirt looking tie on. Yeah.  No, but I like it, but I like it though.

Yeah, I want that. It looked good. It looked great. His like run style is like beautiful. Like for sure. Very athletic. Yeah, I mean that really showed the athleticism that Carl Weathers has. Probably more than anything. I mean he just looks it though. He does.  They had a show , called Street Justice, that he was the star of, and it was basically like a toned down version of Action Jackson, where he had a sidekick that knew Kung Fu. Amazing. Amazing. Chef's kiss. What a beautiful combo. Speaking of Kung Fu, oh man.

We'll get to that, but, and then, and he chases down the car, is what we're getting to, and then he's on top of the car. Well, how does he get on top of the car though, George? How does he do it? He springboards off of another car. And just like five star frog splashes  onto   it makes physics make sense on that. And we'd roll with it. And then how many times did Gamble take his gun and shoot through the roof and miss? With a beautiful nickel plated Beretta M9,  missed like nine times, and he punches through the windshield. That's the day! And that's, now we get to, the glass in Detroit is just.

Flimsy because god damn that they buy him a roof of that car But I will say this him missing with a bread and nine millimeters pretty accurate. Oh  No, that's that he emptied that entire clip on one side of the car not thinking that he might be on the other so we Can't give it to gamble their gamble shit the bed  So he's like a stormtrooper is exactly for real but that so series events happen And, Carl Weathers ends up off of the cab, and there's like a little, it's one of my favorite parts of the movie, there's like a little standoff, it's like a little Mexican standoff, and they're looking at each other, , come here, fight me like a man, yeah, yeah, so fighting you like a man means running you over, yeah, for real, , use your steel beast to run me over, like, don't use your gun, yeah, for real, don't do that, and he goes, yeah, I'll do that,  and then he just, what happens next? 

He gets up to 75 miles per hour , like 20 yards It's one of the fastest cars has ever been made and Action Jackson was a track star. I don't know if he did hurdles, but he just jumped it clears it  They race swapped him with a with a yes. Yes. This is an important little note here  Tell us yeah   was clearly someone in, in blackface  with flowy hair,  does a flip over it.

Good. I don't know if you've ever seen, I'm going to get you sucka, but there's a scene where like this woman does back flips and they replaced her with, uh, an Italian man.  And I'm pretty sure they got that from action. So I love that shit so much. Do you ever remember the 

michael Jordan commercial where his mom is like going to show him how to dunk. Yes. I completely forgot about that. And they , replace her with a six foot four  200 pound like  man. And it, and they do not even bother to cut or shoot it from a different angle. They just show it face on. 

We wouldn't remember it otherwise, right? That would not be a memorable commercial. That is,  but , these moments right here, , these are the tidbits in this that make it like.

, it is just such a transcendent movie because of these moments because that, that shit doesn't happen anymore and it's like, it's, it's such a good reason for good reason, but like , it is a snapshot in time and you're like, okay, yeah, we really thought this was acceptable. This is everybody thought that this was, and this is why you have to take this with a grain of salt when you watch these.

Like this is why we do this show. , you have to just  eat it and realize what it is and know that like, okay. It was a different time that doesn't make it. Okay, but it's still a fun movie. Yeah, for sure. It's hilarious  it's  hilarious. Yeah, and yeah, and we'll and we'll dive into that too after after everything But he he ends up catching the guy right like the guy like so he blows his cab up basically him didn't yeah.

Yeah, so Gambles somehow hits something that runs to a Building or doesn't he or like I think he hits the side of another car and basically it turns into dukes of hazard. Yeah  Or or knight rider and he just yeah, it goes into the building it flips over and it kills a hundred people probably instant Except for gamble.

He's not there. Yeah when action jackson checks. Yeah, there's just corpses around it  i'm surprised we didn't get the scene of  him talking about how much He's cost the city. Yeah, like the captain going through that like in the other guys and they're like, yeah They had a quarter boys, too   I do want to talk about the kung fu scene. Why is it that every 80s action movie  always has some sort of rich white guy that has mastered an ancient Asian martial art  faster than the people that are performing it, that have studied it their whole life.

Because, , the plane is in his like house, , Having a martial arts practice and it's like he's learning from this kung fu master , and he just beats the shit out of the kung fu master and  not only does it beat the shit out of him, but  the less the lessons over when he , Inverts his elbow inside out, right?

And Al Long again  shows up to escort him out. Yeah.  , and that's when I was like,  every movie, there's always a white guy that's better at Kung Fu than anybody that's ever taught Kung Fu or learned it their entire life. And I'm like, Hey, don't shit on Steven Seagal like that. 

I feel like they had to sneak Kung Fu in a lot of stuff like that. I don't know if you've ever seen a Dolomite. Oh yeah. Yeah. So Rudy Ray Moore took karate lessons for two weeks.  So that he could put Karate in that movie. No shit. Two whole weeks. I actually met him and he told me this. No shit. I've got a picture with him. 

I will tell you guys about that later.  Oh my god. That's amazing. Otherwise this would be a four hour podcast.  We're already on the way.  That is fucking amazing. But that makes sense. That tracks though. You got to know something about it because it's more than just what you see. But like, I don't think.

What's his face? Della Plain. Who played him? Craig T. Nelson. Craig T. Nelson. I don't think there was even a bother because I'm gonna be honest, I don't think half those leg kicks he did. I think they shot that in the way that like his leg was just there. I think they, I think they cut, I think they cut away.

A hundred percent. Yeah, and it was a stunt double. It had to have been. And then they cut back to his face. It didn't make any sense. I was like, the way that he's standing right now, it doesn't make any sense.` So I'm glad that I'm glad that he didn't at least attempt to do that. But we'll get to the fighting later because there's a brilliant fight scene at the end.

,  And then next thing, like just speeding it along here, cause it, it kind of ramps up after this, but basically Sharon Stone's character goes back and Nella play murders her and because he knows that she's hanging around action Jackson and then he plants her body at action Jackson. Apartment. Yeah. Fucked up. Because everyone saw them leave together, so now Action Jackson's got himself in a bit of a pickle. Question. Who's going to report the body from Action Jackson's house? Like, how, who reported it from his apartment that he lives in, presumably by himself? Andrew, calm down.

I'm sorry. That was just one of those, you know, red lights, I was like, ahhh.  But again, we accept it. We accept it.  There's a dead woman here.  And so now action Jackson's on the run and  he knows about the singer so he goes and snags her and basically forces her like basically tells her to come with him and she's  attracted to him so she's just all about just like Having sex with him this whole time.

Not before fighting it. The bodyguard. Oh, what a good one. He punches him and there's no reaction. He punches again, again, like nothing. Like it completely absorbs it. And then he says, If, you know, I do this again, would you throw me through the wall? He goes, no, my Muslim religion wouldn't allow me to do so.

What a line. That guy's character was really good. And he comes into play later, but he's just this tank of a character that can just take punishment.  And action. Jackson takes her to the CD motel 'cause he knows the, um, they go to her apartment first or their, her house first.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's, there's, there's a fire and all that. Yeah. And she's, she, she wants her drug. She keeps mentioning that. Well, yeah. And like, and to your point  she goes in and she's like trying to turn lights on. He's like, no, don't do that. And then like the phone rings, he's like, get down.

And he like grabs her  explodes, like somehow, like they've rigged the phone. Yeah, they teach that at Harvard.  Pretend like there's a snake underneath everything. Don't touch it. It could be in the light socket. You never know. So, you know, Della planes just trying to get rid of any loose end. He can at this point.

, and actually Jackson's like blacklisted from the cops, no pun intended, blacklisted from the police department. So he, um, nice,  good. It's good. She wasn't chased. I just got out blacked  for now.  So , he can't go back and tell anybody cause now he's wanted for murder.  It's a good play by Della plane.

He's got a good plan going here. And so now they're on the run. They go to the city hotel where he knows like the manager owner. Yeah. Fats Williams. Yeah. Weird science. And also from Terminator. Whose son was someone that I knew when I lived in Athens. His son is a personal trainer, owns a gym in Athens.

Small world.  We'll invite him onto the show, his son, and we'll do Action Jackson again.  Keep it original.  Please come on our show. , so yeah, she is not really wanting to help him out, but helps him out anyway.  And they first are like getting along and then they don't get along because now she knows he's a cop and he won't let her have drugs.

Calls her a junkie and just multiple times brutalizes her with verbal abuse. , she accuses him being gay or a cop in a way that you cannot do today. But then he does, he goes, he does go. I'm not queer.  Thank you.  I'm not queer. Okay. Well, there we go. God forbid she thinks she's a priest. His name's Jericho.

I forget. It's like, we call him action Jackson, but it's Jericho.   Strong biblical name.  Actually, not really. It's actually the walls of Jericho come crumbling down. So it's really actually, yeah, maybe not. Maybe not strong, but not strong. And  this movie has a lot of metaphors and it's very deep.

It's deep folks. So, and George, what happens next?  Don't they go to a bar? They're looking for somebody. Yeah. So, um, there's that, there's this one,  Native American dude that was in everything back in the day. He was the number two on the call sheet of that show Renegade with Lorenzo Lamas.

Oh my God. His name was  Sonny Landham.  Well, Sonny Landham was actually the, the guy. Oh, you're talking about the predator. That's who you're talking about. Yeah. So this is, oh, this is a different, yes. Yeah. And the, and the guy that played Juana man.  Is also in there. Great. He was in Life, the movie with Eddie Murphy and Martin Luther King.

Oh, that was a good movie. We gonna take your frickin frack.  He's not giving up any ass, I guess we gonna have to jam him up. I was a kid, I didn't know they were talking about  like, you know, molesting Action Jackson. They wanted to get it. Papa Doc, he was going to find Papa Doc. Yeah, that's who it was. What you looking for Papa Doc? 

Follow the bouncing ball. I'm like Oh, that's strangely racist right now. Oh wow, yeah. Yeah. And that was lost on me too at the time too, but there it is. It's there. Sign of the times. Papa Doc's balls were in a, , spoiler, Papa Doc's balls  were in a mason jar. In a wardrobe. Yes. In a room. A back room. That just happened to be , in a bar.

And at first actually, Jackson when he pulls up the mason jar, , he's laughing. He's like, Oh, what is this? And it's like, it's obviously a man's testicles  in a, like an old mason jar. So they serve whiskey out of, yeah, that's, uh, yeah. I mean, you can say you gargled.  Papa Dog's balls. That's a shot.

It's like Malort. It's just as good. , it probably tastes better than Malort. Let's be honest. I would take that over Malort. Oh God. Yeah, I would too. A hundred percent. Anybody out there that's had Malort. Yeah. You know. , but yeah. And , he doesn't know what the guy's talking about.

Cause the guy's using a bunch of , Just different slang terms. Yeah, it's very weird. And , I couldn't even figure it out. Like, I rewound it a couple of times. I was like, this is, are we trying to play to the, the youth at the time? I don't, I don't know what 80s slang, so maybe you can talk about it.

, I didn't know anything.  And once again, this guy was talking like an actor. He's saying this slang, but he's talking very much like this polished actor. It's like this doesn't work It was like Shakespearean actor over here. . I could have been I could have been taming the shrew fucking shit So of course two guys grab Action and you know hold him against the pool table and vanity walks in and she then she says he's like religious Yes, she says he's from the mental institution.

He's like, yeah, he thinks he's a priest. He's a god or something He's trying to say he's like I've come to save you and deliver you And they're like, what the fuck is going on? They buy a hook line and sink her for a second and that gives them a moment to, you know, punch somebody in the face and then,  take over the room.

Yeah. And get out of there. And crush a, , glass in a guy's hand. Yes. , that was the first move. , let me lay my healing hands on you or something like that. . Do we think that, in the day, he could have made that happen, Carl Weathers, with his grip strength? Yeah, I wouldn't put it past him.

I wouldn't put it past him either. Honestly, because he probably had huge hands. I mean, he was ripped and strong as hell. , his forearms are fucking massive. Yeah. I bet that if he really wanted to have done that, he could have easily just, like, skk!  And broken a wrist shattered the glass in the hand. I think I think I'm gonna go ahead and say I buy that Yeah, I got three of my three or four of my hands could fit into his one like that's how that you'd like that Wouldn't you you know, you'd love me.

Well, you know me. Well, yeah, they get you off. Yeah. Yeah looks like a pro life poster  , so what happens next? They play,  Amen. Oh, that's right. Yes.  Just randomly. And that, but like, and it wasn't,  for anybody but the audience. And so at that point, the fourth wall for me was  like breaking. And I was like, Now I love this even more because this is, it is absurd, but again, it's not trying to be something it's not, it is an absurd movie, it's , borderline farcical in some ways, and it's a fucking action movie,  I was like, this is great, this is gonna be a rewatch for sure.

You knew going back in too, it's , hey, this is an 80s action movie, I'm gonna have to like  But it's not like, it's not like commando where like, I would watch commando now and I'd be like, I don't like that because it's not, it doesn't have the tongue in cheek like this movie does. He throws somebody in a phone booth off of him.

He does. He gets some primetime articles, but like, Hey Sully, remember when I told you I'd kill you last?  I lied. I lied. And he takes off running fast enough, this happened earlier where he's holding a post it note. But , when the camera cuts back around, the post it note is still cascading to the ground.

Oh my god. Good, good.  This is nice. Yeah.  Love it. And they don't find who they're looking for, so   this bar scene is kind of pointless other than just another action beat. We got an, Amen out of it though. Yeah, we can do an amen. That was fun. But I think it brings like those two together because I think she understands the gravity of the situation a little bit more.

They're good at it as well. Yes. And then I don't forget what happens next. They go back to the hotel. I'm pretty sure. , I think the Who's the guy who runs the hotel?  What's his name? , Kid Sable. Kid Sable, yes, yes. Dab a dab a doo. Yep, yep. He's watching the Flintstones. Yes, he is. So good. Uh, Pure Joy.

He gives some, he gives action some tip to go talk to some , lady at a barbershop, isn't that right? , oh, another woman? Yes, it talks about men.  We're at five now. We're at five women who have not interacted with each other.  She's a fun little character, you know,  she very much plays up her lines, but like, you know, you take it for what it is.

We can't also have two women at the same time because we had to kill Sharon Stone to enter this woman. But what's crazy about this scene, I wrote this down, is this woman just has all the tea. She has all the information on Delaplain and all of this stuff.   They don't have any exposition in this entire movie.

They're like leading you on like oh You're trying to put the pieces together and this woman just puts the whole puzzle together. Yes, and she knows everything And I'm like as many loose ends that this man is killed like quietly and efficiently How is she still alive because she is just blabbing  and it's not like oh, she's telling action Jackson She is telling everyone in the barbershop.

Yeah, and she's Singing and dance along to it. Just happy and loud. Stop. It's like, she's, you know, written this down and like prepared for the moment. 

An action camp. Pay her for the, I don't even know if she cut his hair or anything, but she can't, doesn't look like it. He can't pay her because he got pickpocketed earlier and they took his wallet and his badge. , and like it, it doesn't mean anything other than in this one point. So that's why we didn't mention it.

But her name was Dee. That's what it was. Dee, yeah. D And she, so she just gives him everything. Yeah. Like he knows now what's going on. Basically, we find out  that De la Plaine is trying to kill off all the a WA members.   The board and the president so he can take over the awa basically kill the union Make more money that typical American strong dream.

Yes  Elon musk people do a day for him. Yeah, as far as like  Villain  motives go. This is one of the weaker action movies for villain motives because he could probably just done that legally somehow I don't know like but again, we don't question it. We just yeah, it is  Like a dissect it.

It's just like yeah, so now you're just like this dude just a really big prick  but like And he spent a lot of money like he just sells car. Like I don't think he's spending a lot of money so basically  She tells him that, oh, he met this guy that has this like,  Yakuza style, , bodyguard henchman assassin crew, and then Delaplane killed him and stole his assassin crew,  so that they could carry out his evil bidding.

And that's where we We get this point and then he goes back to the hotel and she is missing, right? Yeah, she's missing. She's in some other drug addicts room And they're about to shoot up and he barges down and beats the shit out of them. Another guy from Predator. Yes, that's yes That's who I was conflating earlier.

And she's just sitting on the bed and he's like threatening Action Jackson He's like, oh no, you don't want to threaten Action Jackson. That's a bad thing to do. Yeah And so basically she gets him killed because like does he kill does he kill him?  No, but he throws him out the window into another window of a building across the street.

Yeah  while he Injected him with a bunch of heroin is what we think. And the cops just happened to look up and see him being thrown across. And that's all this guy serves for is literally a point A to point B, because at that point, Action Jackson and this girl jump from  like the top of the building down into the car.

Yeah. And you can see the airbag in the car and the carbon strip. We skipped over the fact that the car being stripped sets up the fact that He would jump on the car, because otherwise he would never jump on it. Never. Because he parked it in the fucking, Detroit. In Detroit. It wasn't in a cupboard garage here at Bell Morningside.

At a seedy motel.  His prized possession just out in the open in the middle of, you know, Detroit. And that car wasn't that old back then if you think about it. No, not at all. No. 20 years? 20 years old. Yeah. Yeah. A little over 20, yeah, 20. Yeah. Not that crazy. It'd be like seeing a, I don't know how to go into it, we all know.

Yeah, a 93 Tourist. Shut up, don't talk about that.  Had one of those. They steal the cop car because it's parked behind. Isn't that what happens? And then they drive off. Yeah, so , and it's the two idiot cops. It's the same ones. Yeah, they're arguing the whole time. And then they try to commandeer a Volkswagen Beetle.

, we need your car, we're caught, police business! And they're like, no! And they slam the door.   So like, I thought that was pretty humorous. Cause then they're stuck. And he was like, have you ever had your head rammed so far up your ass? And he's like, no. And he's like, we'll prepare. 

And in that scene, the dude wasn't talking as much like an actor. No, he was not. Yeah. It's funny how that happened. I wonder when they shot these and  I was really curious  to , like if he got a note somewhere, one way or the other, like we want you to talk more. , eloquent, or we want you to talk more natural, or like, I'd be very interested to see the shot order.

, real quick, . , talk about like directing, like how that comes into play. Well, I think , maybe for this, since they were probably shooting on 35 millimeter, um, they, they didn't like what he did in the beginning.  And they're like, it's 35 millimeter.

It costs a dollar  per frame. And they're 24 frames per second. , we can't afford to reshoot that. So just do better  going forward. ,  when you're on set, when does that like take place? Like now, now that everything's digital, they'd probably tell you immediately. Right. Cause they get it, do they get it back immediately or  is it when you get your dailies then? 

, I very rarely ever see the dailies. It's almost immediately. , I was on this movie in Ohio last year, and the director was really strict. , about stuff and I remember he was shooting like six cameras at the same time , and we did this scene and he wanted me to say these words exactly like four steps into doing this and everything because he was going to have this soundtrack going and I remember I missed it and it was like, cut. 

Over a microphone just blaring and he came out and like he drew a line and I walked backwards so I could hit that line but not have to look down at the sand and correct it and like  , move forward. , I'm sure he just deleted.  All of that, , cause it wasn't usable. , , he called cut immediately, but there are some directors who just let it run.

Yeah.  How good was this director? I know you probably can't tell us who it is.  He is one of , the larger directors , in Hollywood, as far as big budget movies go. Oh nice. , he's one of those people when you watch his stuff, you're like, man, this was like a Herculean effort. 

To like make this happen. He's not like the most artistic guy in the world. It's not like you're watching some  Kubrick movie and you're like, Oh, like this is like, you know, it's so bizarre, but like it appeals to me. It tickles my fancy. , he makes movies that you buy a lot of popcorn and like you laugh, you cry , and all that kind of thing.

But yeah, like he was super detailed. He knew exactly what he wanted and if you weren't hitting it, Then, , I actually saw someone get fired, ,  yeah, like you would get corrected immediately. And at that point you pretty much reiterate what, , the director was saying something that I learned from, , studying with Sarah Mornell, you kind of get in your body.

You're like, so what you want me to do is this, this, and this.  Correct. All right. And then you do it there because there were 300 people were on the crew. So you can imagine the kind of money they were spending. So it was one of those things like correct right now, move on. But I worked on a movie earlier last year that was probably around the budget of ACTION JACKSON and ,  there were reshoots to correct stuff like later in the day as opposed to like, Hey, we can't afford you to stop right now. 

So I think it depends on the budget. I think it depends on the director. Yeah. , time is money is like a real thing when you're talking about like getting the shot right and the lighting has to be right. And if it's the, if it's not in the studio and it's outside, like you have, there are variables outside of your control that if you don't get it immediately, right, they're like, all right, fuck it.

We're going to move on. Cool. Bye.  Unless you see it, it's mind boggling to think like, how the fuck do you get all those moving pieces to work?

And then , , you're the actor and you're, so you're like, I'm here for my shot. I'm trying to do good. And they're like, and they're like, you didn't do good. You gotta, I gotta do that again. Big gulps, eh? Big gulps, eh? Well, see you later. Missed your opportunity. Yeah, for real though. That's a real thing.

It's a real thing.  That's a really good insight for me because like, yeah, I haven't, I've been out of the film world for, uh. A number of years now, , I worked in production in like you've seen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. , people don't know, like, you don't like the actors.

  It's so shitty and I really wish that like actors weren't treated like cattle, which is what I really feel like, at least from my experience, actors were treated like. Like you piece of shit come in here do your shit and then go like can you believe like get him get him what they need Like we're wasting time and it's like you're missing the art here Like you're missing like what's happening, but it's money and it's expensive to make movies.

Well in fairness this director Didn't treat us like cattle  , I was on a first name basis with him after the first day. , I'm one of the lower people on the call sheet.  That's nice. And when I can talk more about this, I will sing , this dude's praises, because like I've never felt more at home on something with a large budget than I did there.

 It felt like a low budget movie as far as how. Um, everyone was, was treated and it was, it was amazing. It was amazing. I feel like that's really hard to pull off and that's something you can only get if you have like experience doing that kind of stuff. Because like if you keep everybody happy and you make people feel like they're seen and heard, you will get performances out of them   you're not going to get otherwise.

This guy knows that this, this guy knows that and that's why his stuff does well. And that's why people want to work with him. The actors are there to play to your vision And if you don't have that kind of scope or that planning and the vision is not seen Then it's just a bunch of people running around doing shit and it never works. Yeah, and I've seen that too I've been on a couple of sets where just kind of the visions  lost and it's just a bunch of people who are Too,  you know willy nilly or to like we're all friends here.

It's like no someone's got to be  Yeah,  and , that's the role of a director versus the role of an actor. And it's, and when those two things work well, You got magic, but I feel like a lot of times like Kyle's point in some movies. I see I'm like  These actors just are they all kind of blend together. Like I'm not seeing a master performance I'm seeing a director saying here's the beats Just do it and then they do it and they're not letting the actors play in the playground a little bit And I feel like those movies feel kind of soulless to me.

Sometimes actors don't realize what their role is outside of that role. That's a breakdown. , you basically have business wise, you have two types of roles, bring the money or service the money.  So if your job, like , my job is to service the money.  So the way that my performance is You're not gonna bring the money? 

Not yet. You're on my agenda soon. Tom Billing over here.  , when it's my job to service the money,  if I decide I'm gonna act like I bring the money, my performance just isn't gonna look good. It's gonna be selfish.  In wrestling, you know, you have the enhancement talent. Yep Oh, yeah, you know in acting  you know, you might be enhancement talent.

I'm okay would be an enhancement Talent because those scenes look really good Yes If I make this person opposite me look really good and it looks great on my reel and it gets me better stuff where I Get closer and closer to being the money, you know Yeah that's a really really good point because that is something that Andrew and I learned when we were in art school from our , from our mentor, and he was very much about like, who are you, and what are you doing in this scene?

And we would be like, wrong, no. What are you doing in this scene? Well, I'm supporting Hit yes, you are supporting you are not the star of the scene. You're not supposed to it's not there's no star of the scene It's what it was what it needs to be and I really feel like that is kind of lost on younger generations right now And I do think in the performing arts world.

It is very much about why do you want to be an actor? I want to be famous. I want to be famous and it's like that has nothing you're missing the art. You're missing like Like, to what you just said was perfect, George, it's like you are, you're contributing to something greater than yourself. It is a team.

It is not about you. Really? And like, I just, I don't It's a true collaboration. It is. The star of the show is the film or play that you're doing or the music, the song that you're writing. That's the star until you accept that you're not the star. Yeah, you may like using Marvel, for example, it's like, yeah, you may be playing Captain America.

You may be playing this role, this role, but the star of the show is the Avengers. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, no one gives a shit. No, no, no, they're not here just to see Robert Downey Jr. They're here to see the Avengers.  That's right. So you don't have a lot of movie stars anymore. Yeah. No, that's a good point. Yeah, you do have like Timothée Chalamet.

Yeah, or like to a certain extent you have like Will Smith, but a lot of his movies aren't box office successes.  Like, Bad Boys movies are,  , that Suicide Squad movie was, but Wild Wild West was not.  Stay tuned. Yeah, for real. His superhero movie, I can't remember what that was. Hancock? Hancock. Hancock, yeah.

That was not. Did not do well. Um, I Am Legend. I Am Legend. Was not box office success. Pursuit of Happiness. Was but I don't think it crushed at the box office. I think it just was critically acclaimed. You're right That's what it was. It was an oscar, you know nominated. It's like will smith a will smith in this movie, maybe Yeah, will smith over there setting things on fire  He's not saying all right, yeah, yeah Yeah, we're not getting the classic will out of this.

Yeah, you're not getting the fresh Prince goes to whatever, like you remember the Ernest movies, Ernest goes to camp. Oh, we did one.  I gotta go back to that one. I gotta go. I gotta go back. It's Jim Varney RIP. It's like Will Smith is a cop. Will Smith hunts aliens. Will Smith, you know, it's exactly, it's, we, we did , Ernest scared stupid for one of our Halloween episodes.

So go back  and listen to it. I will do that.  It's, uh, it's, it's tough. That was a treat. That's good. It's tough. Not, not the treat that Action Jackson was. But so yeah. Definitely. I'm sorry for the side plot, but I feel like we learned a lot here. Yes. It was a good discussion. But back to a real superstar in Carl Weathers in Action Jackson.

So where are we? I don't even. We left off. We're getting near the end. . It's like the last quarter of the movie right here. , they stole the cop car. They've left the premise of the hotel.  I think that at this point, I don't remember where they are. They're driving around. I don't fucking know. , I know that they learned from Dee, the lady at the barbershop, that they need to talk to this dude named O'Malley. 

Yes, and , they somehow lure O'Malley into this  like O'Malley is like one of the big players and whatever Delaplane has planned for Voss's birthday party coming up. Yeah, and they know that and they know Voss is the president of the AWA and that what's going to happen is they're going to try to kill Voss at the AWA.

And they learn from O'Malley that they're going to dress him like Action Jackson. Yes. And, , and plant Action Jackson as the killer of the president. They send Vanity to this random bar, , to talk to O'Malley and say, Hey, Delapley needs to talk to you right now. And they go to some like industrial, like, stairwell.

I don't know where the fuck they are. It's like a crane. It is like a giant, it's, I don't know. I don't fucking know, it's like a giant lookout tower, who the fuck knows. Yeah, it's like one of those things that holds concrete up top or whatever, and like dumps it down. That's exactly what it is. And he, they take him all the way to the top and then, you know, Jackson like swings down on like a chain, which he did himself, which I was like, and there was no safety around and I was like, that is fucking awesome.

I was stunned there. No, no, no stunt double. No, that was him breaking the chains of enslavement to Hollywood. Beautiful. We got it in. And the plot doesn't go that deep. But that's where he gets O'Malley to divulge all the information. By the way, it didn't take a whole lot for him to get out of it. He just punched him and like choked him.

He got his tie up and was like, where is that? And he's like,  I'll tell you now, sorry. You're Action Jackson, you're Action Jackson. Oh, and we do hear a line , that you hear from Tom Cruise many times. What do you want from me? Yes.  That's the first time I ever remember hearing that line in a movie.

That's a good point, yeah. That is a classic Tom Cruise line. There is another line in that movie that, , I'll have to go back and watch it, but like it's been used over and over since then and I feel like that was the first time. Yeah. Very well may be. There was a couple lines in this George that I was like. 

I've heard that before and after this and it makes me so happy. It's comforting. It's like comfort food. It's like yeah Yeah, we like that. We like that in these movies. It's good stuff  And so I think we get to the next thing we get to is the party, right? Don't they know the plane shows up shows up and he has to tell his entire plan.

Yeah Yeah, I guess I was yes. Thank you for I was like and here we go. Here's the X I bet you're wondering how I was gonna do this, but you're wondering why I wanted to do this I bet you're one Yeah, yeah, buddy. Thank you for yeah, in fact, I appreciate that and then let's get into it And he's got his entire like crew of henchmen REO speedwagon gamble They're just sitting there and of course,  actions like chained up between like two like and he's metal metal He looks like he could shirtless those beans down cause he gives gamble.

That's action Jackson's clothes. That's right. It even says To most of my guests, you all look alike. That's exactly it. He goes right to his ear and he goes, To most of my guests, you all look alike. Because he  didn't want to say it too loud. He didn't  want people to have his feelings hurt. Yeah, and Gamble didn't care.

He didn't give a shit. He was like, I'm getting so much money, what the fuck ever. I do have to say, I was kind of like, well, how's he going to get out of this one? I don't know what's going to go on.  It's like the end of Adam West's Batman. Yeah.  How will our dynamic duo get through their depth defying drowning death trap?

Tune in next week!  I can tell you watched that. Yeah, I watched that a lot when I was a kid. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm old.    Not old enough. But anyways, you know, here we are in this warehouse or whatever, Delaplane leaves, he leaves his henchmen to deal with Jax, and I think they're going to burn him alive.

No, they're going to take one of the, one of those auto, um, blow torches, and just like, how do you like your ribs? I think is the next line, is that what the next line is? A few things happen. Yeah. So they slowly move that was Jackson very slowly. Yeah deliberately And then Ed just drops down from the heaven.

But what does he say? I'm Mr. Ed, ride the horse. Yes, yeah. It was so fucking funny, I laughed out. I was like, God damn it. He jumped down like stories. Just like this 350 pound man. And starts painting somebody. And that's the most unbelievable thing about the movie. Earlier in the movie. He said he was 270 as like no  dude, sir.

No, no, that's not happening You're like three your knees don't even moves for somebody who's 340. He was an offensive line guy. What's he really? Oh, but he looked like one. . So he sprays the guy. Yeah. And then, uh Oh, oh God. And that, yeah. And then the blow torches used , to free Jackson. He melts off the chain or whatever. Yeah, of course. He had a lot of flicks right there. Oh yeah. And he was oiled up. He was looking. Nice looking good. Good. He looked good for me. I was like, damn, I want to chew on him.

I want to get in there. That's a nice piece of man.  He's beautiful. But  he just gets to have his time in the sun and he's shining. , they take care of them one by one, but the one I want to hit on most, which I know the one you want to hit on the best line in the movie, they make their way up to this, this little clearing at the top of this unknown industrial structure.

And he somehow wrestles the grenade launcher from our friend. The same one that was used at the very beginning of the movie. Which we talked about. It is hiding on one side. Yes, it is.  And this guy just knows, like at this point, I would have just jumped if I were him. I would have just been like, fuck you, I'm not gonna do this right now.

But he doesn't. He sits and waits for his fate , like a good henchman should. And , Action Jackson stares at him. He says something. What does he say, George? How do you like your ribs?  Launches it, proceeds to shoot him point blank with a grenade launcher, which  I am pretty sure would not explode at that distance.

I'm pretty sure it would just, it would, but probably could kill you. It could probably kill you. Still multiple people in that, but like. If it did explode right there and it was a fragmentation, everybody's gonna know everyone's dead. It's just, but again, who fucking cares? This guy, this piece of shit gets to get fucking blown up on his way down.

It was  prime time. That was a, man, that was an explosion. There was nothing left.  He got charred, baby. He is four times dead.  , so  then , we're getting to like the last 10 percent here and he, , it's the birthday party this point. Yeah. So they have this whole big old garden party in the backyard.

Beautiful. Bunch of lights and great food. Great food. And just really rich, racist, white people. Yeah. Della Plain's dressed up in the nines. Everyone is everybody's dressed up and this woman comes up to complain that there was nobody to take my car when I got here I'm so sorry about that 

Turns to his henchman is like Something's amiss. Yeah. Go check it out. Yeah. Yeah. Go check it out. And then every, all hell starts breaking loose. What happens, chase? Because Action Jackson's brought a crew with him. , 'cause he's got Ed Sable. Ed  . Yep. And so they start , basically causing a ruckus at the party.

They're getting in fights with the other henchmen. And then action. Jackson sees the, um, gamble, gamble up there with a sniper rifle and the red laser like the typical, and he's dressed as. Action Jackson and boss is on stage getting ready to make a speech and because it's his birthday party He's like I've never felt so happy in my entire life and he's doing the Nixon thing like his like hands are hot He's like waving his hands like here.

I am blow my brains out  That's the only reason he would do that and so you're seeing that through the scope but in the chaos of everything everyone's fighting and whatnot action jackson's able to The wart gamble from shooting  vos in the head, I guess, but he shoots him in the shoulder. He messes his shoulder out There's a chunk that comes off.

I was like, well, he saved him. Yeah, but he's never gonna be yeah I mean, and  how do we know he didn't hit him in the like a heart? Okay, right like there could be some bleeding out. He could have just hey at least his head still there We can do an open casket. It's all right. We're fine, or he has enough time to tell him he's like it was 

Plenty of time for him to  so and then they fight up into the bedroom, I guess at this point. Well, what how does he get to the bedroom? That's this is the best part and of course gamble gets impaled. Oh, he does  That sound effect that they put in there was I would I was my eyes were on the road at that time police officers watching And  I heard a  And I was like, Oh, I know  , this young sir got skewered.

He just got  kabob and he deserved it. So  you got to mention kids. Sable's footwork. Oh God. So good. Yeah. He's 78 bears. Uh,  Um,  so , they're up in the bedroom right now and, but how do, how do they get to the bed? How do they get to the bed? First he gets a gun. He gets a gun. From the, fuck it.

And he throws him a gun. , his superior officer goes, ah, I don't fucking care about procedures. Which also happens in Predator. He gets thrown a gun by somebody that doesn't fully trust him.  That's right. And does a little breath work admiring the gun and goes off to try to Isn't that when he akimbos the two  MP5s?

Yes. Yes.  Go watch Predator everybody.  So good. But he gets I'm watching that tonight by the way. He gets into a car. Whose car was it? It was, it was  display That's, I thought was display. Did his red, , convertible? It was, it was a Pontiac Fe. It was panic. Yeah. Uh, he drives it through the house, into the living room.

Runs over the butler. Cartier, what does he say to him when he, like, he says something like, very gratifying. I don't, something don't remember. It was something like, I'm double parked or something stupid. No,  I thought it was a list of more like, I'm dropping my nuts.  Like it was a very finite, like, Oh, boom, you're dead, bitch.

I remember it was really fun. Yeah. And they sped up the footage though. Did you notice? Yeah. Like, so they sped up the footage because obviously you can't take the chance of, you know, hitting the accelerator too hard and really killing the stuntman.  And this isn't a crow. They get health insurance. Who cares?

Rest in peace, Brandon Lee. He takes the car up the stairs, which you don't really see, they kind of cut away. It's implied that he drives the car up the stairs, down the long main hallway. Yeah, I do remember, cause you see a little bit of it, and I'm like, there's no way this car is fitting in any of it. The car doesn't have the ground clearance to, if we're gonna go there, we're gonna go there.

It's a low rider, baby. It's a low rider. It's going to crash into the stairs and stay there. But, Action Jackson found a way. I do want to mention, this car is  No, and it does fly hot or hottest. Oh, yeah, it does fly. So, you know, maybe that wasn't just a commercial Maybe it had an ellipse kid. Yeah, I don't know about it So it's all tying together now and then we get the main showdown right and the hayley shows up into the  bedroom Just Barrels down through the the doors and walls.

Here's Vanity and Delaplane. I don't know that he's got  the heroin needle or whatever He like does right at her neck or something. Yes. No, no, he has a gun is a gun. He has a  He's about to od her yeah be careful i'll get her addicted  don't what she was like, oh no, please don't  She's like trying to stab Not right here, please anywhere but here  And, and  then that's when we get the showdown, right?

Oh, beautiful. Beautiful. Well done. They decided to do Santa and Mutual Combat. Yes, because he goes, I'm putting my gun down, I got, my other plane says, I got my hands up. You're not going to shoot a guy with his hands up, are you? You lowlife. And he goes, Bet. Let's go. Which is weird because  he's like ignored all police protocols to get to this point.

Just shoot him. Just shoot him. He could have Indiana Jonesed him right there and just pow, but don't even take the chance. Or even Dave Chappelle. Just sprinkle some crack on him and  get out of here. It was Detroit in the eighties. Yeah, but he was also a black cop too. So a white cop would have came in, shot him and sprinkle crack on it. 

And that's how we know that's the most realistic part. So they start,  he, they put their guns down and decide to fight like gentlemen. Yes.  He's. Honestly getting his ass kicked by a little white boy de la Plain. He has many round houses to the face. Then the music changed.

He got his head put through the glass and he comes out and he says, You're really starting to piss me off or something like that. Now you've really pissed me off. And he did it with like,  finger up in the air. He's showing his bicep through his shirt. That shirt never stood a chance by the way. That shirt by the end was just showing.

Oh my god. I feel like that line, now you've really pissed me off, has been used in action movies. You know, as something, as something previously, you know, absolutely. You've heard that before? I say it every other night. Yeah, you do.  Isn't that how you initiate sex?  Now you piss me off. Yeah, you piss me off.

Sounds like a , healthy life. It is a healthy life. I didn't say sex with whom, or what. Some people pay good money for that.  And some people say that before they get paid good money.  Yeah, they do. But he got said that and , he didn't need to get any money cause he just got up and he wiped the floor out of him.

He went full Apollo.  No chance. I was like, where was that at? He just needed, he needed to get pissed off first. He needed his adrenaline, he needed his cortisol levels to rise. So that he just fucking, Bap, bap, bap, bap, bap. And he just, I mean, again, he never stood a chance. He wipes the floor with him, but then at the end, of course, Delaplane, 

grabbed their guns. Grabbed the gun and he just, Dual action. But no, it wasn't just the, Delaplane didn't just shoot, he did a James Bond shoot. He had one arm, he had like the old Sean Connery, one arm out and then the other, other one aiming, and I was like, you just made yourself the biggest  tarf, you fucking starfish idiot, like, fucking huge.

And he gets, he gets wasted. He goes, wasted.  You go ahead. I was gonna say, , Jackson gets shot in the shoulder. Oh, he does. Yeah. Yeah. But he had to have on a vest so you couldn't see it immediately. Yeah. There's always that like, are you okay?  Oh, you've been shot. Yeah. And it's like, and she even asked it.

She was like, you're okay. And he's like, I've been shot. What are you kidding me? And like, and it's just like a wound, like a small right here. You're going to survive. Yeah. It's the same shot that.  Uh, what's his navos took on the podium right from a 50 cow sniper rifle, which would ki his arm off. Didn't she rip off like the, uh, the tape she had around her wrist with ease?

Like didn't she just rip it off and jump off the bed and was like, oh, action. Yeah. I was like, why didn't you do that earlier? Yeah. Right. What shoulder,  And like glenohumeral muscle strength to be able to pull that off. I'm very impressed by her forearms, her shoulders, her traps. Crackheads are strong.

They run down the street with a whole TV.  Especially in the 80s, those TVs were like 200 pounds. Huge. You see that little crackhead on Friday? He's running down the street with a whole like,  It's a CRT television, not even in like a light flat screen. Yeah. Yeah.  Yeah. All the glass, all the components. It's like infinity stones.

Yeah.  You get a, you get a hit a crack and it is just like, Oh power. There's, there's, there's no actual weight to any of this,  but we're nearing the end. There's a few lines here that we need to discuss that just, , really. set the movie on a, a strong finishing note. , they're embracing, they're talking and help me out here, George.

He says something like, I'm not going to be a junkie anymore. And he's going to, he says something like, you're going to stop cold turkey. Right. And then what does she say? Yeah, you can have me by Thanksgiving. And then he was like, I was hoping to have you a little bit before that, a little bit sooner, a little bit sooner.

And then They embrace and that's it. That is it. Went in the kitchen and gave her some stovetop stuff. Yeah. He stuffed that turkey right up. Yeah. Gizzard and all. Sorry mom.  The way they disrespect women in this movie. The way they disrespect, you know, Addicts and like heroin addicts as well. Like just so casual.

Just underline women.  Underline and circle women.  And no, no one really got out of this movie alive except, you know, well, rich white people did die. So. Everybody pretty much , got touched. Everybody got a little bit of glory, everybody got, you know. Got some pain. , this movie brings a lot of people together.

Equal opportunity. Yeah. For any, any man. Yes. Any man among us.  , so that wraps up Action Jackson. What a time. What a time indeed. Let's start with you, George. You have the childhood knowledge of this movie. I'm sure you saw it many times, but talk about a little bit now watching this, , as an adult versus  as a kid, like what, what stood out to you? 

So when I was a kid, ,  this was like a legit movie to me. Now, like blaxploitation is just like kind of its own category for me where I'm just like, Oh, this isn't going to be. Realistic, but Avengers isn't realistic, neither is Green Lantern. So it's just kind of like, you know,  it's what Fast and Furious is to a lot of people right now.

That's what blaxploitation movies are, , to me. So like they just make me laugh, , I enjoy the action. I don't take them super seriously and don't really expect, uh, a lot of my friends to,  to watch.  Yeah, and I know we don't have the childhood knowledge of this one I can speak a little bit from like watching a lot of action films with my brother Growing up  we watch a lot of 80s action movies.

He and he's a little bit older than me So I got to kind of live in the 80s a little bit more as a 90s kid. Yeah, but , I knew what kind of category this was going to go in because I do have like a soft spot for these movies.  I don't think you can recommend these movies to just anybody. So it is a weird like take on it.

Cause it's like, I think we're all kind of in the like, Oh, you're a predator fan, right? , Predator is one of my favorite sci-fi action movies of all time. Hands down, 

that's kind of like the pinnacle in my mind. I don't really think there's too much that kind of tops the monster horror of that movie and like, and Arnold and the one-liners. Yeah. And I'm here. Come get me.  Come get me. Come get me. Come here. , that was Carl's moment in the, with the car. I'm here. Come get me. 

It's full circle. And that's what I appreciate about this movie too. Cause I know watching those movies and I know a little bit of the snapshot of the time  getting Carl withers , in a blockbuster action movie was a big deal. Like I know we talk about black exploitation films as pandering and I know that they have their own criteria.

We look at them differently, but at the same time, they're still. A blockbuster movie that made, , what, 26 million at the time? , 20, 20. , so something that's like pretty successful that goes a long way for like anything, you know, , it is the eighties, you know, like we talk about in the nineties movies we watch.

, A lot of this isn't gonna hold up. Yeah.  We're gonna, we're gonna talk, we're gonna say that out, out loud. Like , we're just kind watching these on like, was this a fun time watching it as an adult? Yeah. Mm-hmm . , we're not looking for anything. Some of 'em aren't a fun time.

Some of them are too bad. Even quite a few , quite a few. Truly waste time. I'm afraid to rewatch Beastmaster right now. Oh, oh, oh boy. Oh God. Yeah, maybe don't might be tough. Don't rewatch Batman and Robin. Don't don't. Please don't do that. We're telling you. So I was old enough when that came out that I knew it sucked good good  We discussed that.

Okay. Okay. So and   what do you think George? Do you think this movie holds up?  No, but for what it is and  who it appeals to,  yes. Like I don't think you can just have anybody watch it. Like you said, it used to be a movie that came on USA all the time. That wouldn't happen nowadays, I don't think. 

I'll get to that, but I was gonna say, like, there's a movie I would watch in my living room with my dad, like, on the couch, casually, and keep it on, but I wouldn't see that nowadays. It wouldn't be there. No, like, Channel 69 in Atlanta used to play a lot of movies like that, and The Vindicator,  and stuff like that. 

And, I just don't think you have that. Yeah, and I was gonna say, too, to that point, like, in the 90s, even that, Like as much as we were seeing stuff like that Demolition Man, , all these movies that we can throw under that category, we were seeing those Like slowly peel out by the late 90s. Yeah early mid 2000s because  When I was a kid, I do remember them coming on not remembering just getting pulled and pulled and pulled and now  Action Jackson is like one that's like When you mentioned it, I was like, Oh man, I knew about it.

I'd heard about it, but I've never seen it. Cause , it's one of those that by the time I was like watching all these movies, they'd already been gone. And, and then now I don't think anybody knows about it. No,  you can't find hurricane Smith. It's hard to find like. Passenger 57 or Drop Zone.

Yeah. You know, drop zone. Oh man. And those movies were like, kind of a big deal. Money train. Yeah. You know?  Yeah. And, and there's a level of like preservation that we need for these.   We need these to be preserved. They. They do symbolize history in a point. You can't, you know, you can't ever run from history.

It's not always pretty, but it does always serve a purpose. And these movies served a purpose for what they were. , I agree. I think it's, it doesn't hold up, but I think it could hold up to someone who is an action movie fan that's a little older that.  , you know what you're getting into, you know that it's like popcorn, , you're going to laugh under your breath at some of it, you know, I think  that this would hold up to those fans.

But like for the majority of people, it does not or pass down through families like that. I grew up watching stuff like Bonanza and My Favorite Martian because my parents  shows. And I think fondly of those and , I'll watch them. But if I tried to get  a friend of mine that's like  15 years younger than me to watch that, like, God, is this my favorite Martian thing where a TV antenna is coming out the side of his dude's head.

The hell, this is an alien. Yeah,  no, it's definitely an alien. Yeah. No, I just want an alien one. So Andrew, what do you think? I mean, this is, Obviously my first time watching as well and you know not to harp on what we've said, but like this wouldn't reach a lot of people but  I thoroughly enjoyed it. Maybe I'm part of that niche.

Clearly, I am. , in that sense, yeah, it holds up.  As I've said many times, you just kind of accept what you're watching and know where it came from, when it came from, what it is, what it stands for, and if you have that, , then yeah, I think you would say it holds up, but you know, 98 percent of our society, if they were just shown this, they would not.

And they'd be like, get this shit off, you know, right. But , we're dissecting it for a reason. So in that sense, in that world, yes, I say it holds up and I thoroughly enjoyed watching it. Kyle, what about you? I'm going to agree. I hate, I really hate to do this, but I really do agree with all of you, but I'm going to, go ahead and say like it does hold up because this is, again, I go hold up.

My, my first criteria is would I watch this again? The answer to that is going to be yes, I would watch this again. I would for sure watch this again, and it does hold up. When it comes down to the societal norms from then to now, absolutely not, it does not hold up. There's so many, there's so many things that were good about this movie and so many things that were  Not great, but like how many movies are like that?

There are so many and then and again, let's think about like this in 20 years if we're all still here 

You know what the stuff that's being made now the things that we really love are those gonna hold up 20 years is super bad gonna hold up in 30 years. You know what I mean? Like yeah, I mean like some people don't think you know I don't want to show in some cracks and it is to it is I don't want to suck dick a fucking pussy like That's not my fiance would not laugh at that.

You wouldn't think that but I think that's  hilarious I laughed my ass off in the movie theater but like my point being is like I Agree with all of you because it is a snapshot of what it is But for my personal criteria for what is to hold up I would watch this again. It was enjoyable from start to finish.

There wasn't a bad aspect of it. Every character in it, like, might not have made sense, but they made me feel something. And , That is to me. That's like that's art at its very simplest. That's what it is So I I think  it might be junk food, but like it's it's it's good. It's brain. It's good stuff Yeah, you know what I mean?

 I appreciate the recommendation George is this is a That's gonna go fit nicely with all the other action movies from the 80s , but yeah, he's got a, he's got like in his home, he's got a blu ray collection. It's just labeled like anti feminist  movies and he's going to put action Jackson right in the centerpiece.

He's right. Go watch the human tornadoes.  Boy. Oh boy. We reached all the devil's son in law. Oh my God. That sounds great. That does. That sounds amazing. Before we get out of here, we always do IMDb ratings.  So we don't know the IMDb rating, or at least I don't. Andrew, do you know, Andrew, I don't remember.

I looked at it, but I don't remember. So, we try to give it an IMDb rating of what we would rate it now  after you just watched it, , What would you give action Jackson? I'm going to kind of give you some mindset of what I'm looking at.

I'm going to rate it as in my personal, like action movie brain. I would give it like a 5. 7 and then as like a movie to today, I would give it a 3. 8 I think that's kind of fair since we're balancing it out.  Okay. So.  For me, , I'm gonna give it a rating of like an 8. Ooh. For what it, for what it satisfies for me.

Yeah. , as far as like how it fits into today, , I'm gonna give it like , a four, you know. Nice. Mm. Yeah. I think that's fair. That's strong. I like that. We're doing two, two veins, Andrew. Um, I'm just gonna stick with one because Yeah. Fair. You know, , I don't want to compromise and, you know. Uh, , my rating score isn't based on IMDB.

It's just more of like one outta 10 and, you know mm-hmm . I, I, I throw a number there, so like, no, this isn't high arts. Some of the acting was pretty bad at times, depending on who we're talking about. Are you kidding me?  , uh, , shoddy writing, but . Was it entertaining? Like it was just,  it was a fun watch and, , because of some of those other elements that.

 It can't get past a certain level. I'm not gonna give it a , high score, but I'm gonna give it a 5. 9, and I think that is decent. Sixes would be, , a little too generous, but , a 5. 9 isn't, it's not worth watching, and it  has some value. So, that's my number.  Okay. I'm gonna say 6.

3. Okay.  I'm gonna stick I like what you're doing with keeping it one  But if I had to do two separate ratings I would give it closer to a seven for my personal enjoyment because I thought this was really fun entertaining and it's worth another watch Again for sure, but like if we're talking about what does society think of this now?

It would probably be like a 2. 8. I think society would give this. Yeah, I'm gonna be  very brutally honest But like my score for this is gonna be like a sick at 6. 3. I think it's a healthy score It's a passing score and it's there are so many movies that we have watched that are complete dog shit in the bottom of your Shoe compared to this movie.

This movie is Batman and Robin Batman Robin. Don't ever watch that movie so the actual ratings IMDB 5.  6 out of 10. Okay. Yeah across 12, 000 users. That's crazy because that's like right on to what I said  Okay, rotten rotten tomatoes. They're doing a percent Obviously, so it's not as fun as out of you know, so 19 percent fuck rotten tomatoes. 

I don't like the tomato meter. I don't either I think is what is our least? Favorite out of all of the ratings because it's just well, it's like where do you go? If you're just if you think the movie's mediocre  the bottom of the barrel for them is way too low and  the top of the cream of the creme is like it I feel like it's too easy to get there and it's just all it takes is like A zeitgeist or like somebody to be like, oh my god.

Did you see that? Did you see that? Did you see that? Oh my god.  But yeah, , I think we all gave it a very fair assessment in the end.

Yeah. And  I'm gonna say for the group. For the first time ever that it holds up. Go fuck yourselves. Peace. So there it is. Thanks, B. , George, , what you got going on, man? What do you want to tell the folks at home that , you're doing? I know you, there's something going on that you can't tell us about, but Yeah, I don't have a whole lot going on that I can talk about other than I, I did do an appearance on this show, County Rescue.

And, , that episode should be out , in a couple of months. Shot that up in Chattanooga. I say there you go. Yeah, you need a place to stay in Chattanooga and you don't want to have to deal with all the bullshit You just he's a big time star Kyle  See what I do I roll on red carpet out for a big time.

Yeah, but he's staying in a Hilton he doesn't need you  They did not put me up for that when I drove there did  my scenes and came right back to Atlanta Yeah. Yeah. , went to Bucky's on the way. Hell yeah. That's the Chattanooga tradition right there. , so where can people follow you? I know you got stuff coming out.

So where can people like learn more about what you got coming on? Blacktastic on Instagram. , you can also kind of pay attention to a privileged talent and ADS management and. Kind of see what me and some of the other people on those rosters  are doing. ,  Yes. Or , you can stop by, , icebox.

, that's a business we own in East Cobb, , I'm there a lot That, so cool. Okay. That's a lot. I'm not there a lot.  , you're an owner. You have to, somebody's gonna say like. You know, you're not there.  There's a few employees out there.  Like that was a big old lie. I'm going to try to be there more,  but yeah, ,  this is going to be a great year for actors, , with everything coming back.

So,  will be some stuff coming along and, , Just , check out my friends. I got so many friends working on, on, on great stuff that they kind of deserve to have some attention for what they're doing. So, , if you're looking at my stuff, you will see me repost, , , what my friends are working on.

 So please , like, and follow some of my friends , and watch the things that, , that they do on. , film and TV because , they're doing some great work. Nice. , that about wraps it up. So we just reached into your childhood nostalgia, pulled out action Jackson and found out, do you, Kyle says it holds up the rest of us say it holds up with caution.

Caution is a good one. , we're so thankful to have George on the show. , you're welcome back anytime. Bring some. friends with you next time, but  you can kick Chase off and bring your friends in. Or me. Or kick me off.  Wait, you were here the whole time? Yeah, exactly. Oh, I'm sorry. I need to bring my friend Dwayne.

Okay. Y'all would love him. He is my movie partner and he's like the same  age demographic type deal and he's a funny guy. He was a theater major at Duke. Oh, wonderful. Now he's an accountant. Oh, that'll happen.  That happens to all of us. So he sounds like a smart guy.  Way smarter than me. Cause I'm still doing for now,  ,  we're watching.

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