Hello everybody and welcome to Hold Up, the show where we dive deep inside your childhood nostalgia, pull the movies from your past out to see if they truly hold up. Not only today am I Hold Up with Andrew, but I have a very special guest. We're here with Aaron Strand, The director of the upcoming film withdrawal and the host of the behind the slate and crash zoom podcast.

How are you Aaron? I'm doing great. I'm doing great. I'm happy to be here.  We want to apologize for your Georgia Bulldogs  I know I told you that earlier, but I really want to make sure that everybody fan. I am a nice a basketball win last night. We did. Yeah. I sat and watched that in anger, but, , you know, good for you.

Good for you. Well, we don't get many of them.  , you've beaten us , two out of three years there in Athens, I think. Well, I believe someone just dropped the stats that like  Kentucky has one, like  85 percent of all the games I've ever played in Athens. It's something astronomical, but I think y'all have  a good basketball team Did you love the word he used astronomical? 

 That was his detailed words. I mean, it's that way with most teams in the SEC if we're being honest That's not me being a braggart. , it is what it is. Oh, hey, listen, I would rather be astronomical in football than basketball person. There you go. So, , we all get things to cheer for. 

Well, Aaron, for those people that live under a rock or a brick or whatever they're living under, tell us a little bit about some of the podcasts and some of the work you got going on before we dive into our film. Yeah, for sure. , like you mentioned, I host two podcasts. The first is called Behind the Slate, which is where I take, , long form history deep dives into the life and work of cinema's greatest directors.

And, , as part of that, I've been doing live shows here in Atlanta at the Plaza Theater, , which has been super fun, , where I do like a little mini version of the podcast. , we watch the film and then, , audience discussion sticks around afterward, , which you guys have come out to and I'm really grateful for the support, , and we got a show coming up on January 23rd.

I'll be screening Agnes Varda's Cleo from 5 to 7, , , it's just such a fantastic film, film that I really, really love and I'm really excited to talk about, , and then I have a new show called Crash Zoom where , I am joined by Rough Draft Atlanta film critic, Sammy Purcell. We talk about all the latest entertainment.

Headlines and really through the lens of like how decisions made at the very top affect working class artists And so that's a brand new show.  We've only been doing it for about a month and ,  I'm able to get all these takes off my chest, you know, yeah, just like I'm just walking around saddled with takes, you know So  finally able to unload them into a microphone Which, , I'm a big fan of Behind the Slate.

It's, , that's how, I came to find out who you were is through that podcast. It almost feels like stalking sometimes when you, you hear somebody through a podcast first and you meet them secondly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. , that's a great show. Like I highly recommend it to anybody out there. . And go to some of the screenings he has at the Plaza.

We went and saw Rolling Thunder and learned a little. Tidbit of history that, you know, I didn't even really know existed kind of opened my eyes to things. Yeah, what was the tidbit? I didn't even really know much about Rolling Thunder. I didn't know the connections to Taxi driver and all that and the whole like post core Vietnam darkness of American film I didn't know  that was A real, real thing.

 You have your movies here and there, but I didn't know  that was part of it. So it was cool to see that and experience it. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, and I enjoyed the movie.  I wasn't like blown away, but I was left affected. Like I felt pretty empty inside after that. Yeah, , I don't really get like Tarantino's whole like, I saw this movie and it like was the greatest movie I've ever seen.

I think it's, I think that one's like a slow burn. But then as like a personal experience, like you watch it and then it kind of sticks with you. And then when you go back and watch it again, that's when it, like the magic really starts to come alive.

, speaking of great movies and nostalgic and Quentin Tarantino. We watched jungle to jungle.  Was that a great transition or what? I was holding on to that one. I think Tarantino put it in his top 10 for the sight and sound piece. Maybe top five. Yeah.  , is Tim Allen like Tarantino's boy?

Like he's a constant inspiration to Tarantino's work. He talks about that. Yeah. That chapter in cinema speculation about Tim Allen. Oh, so good. Some of his best writing. We wouldn't have Tarantino without Tim Allen.  So. You heard it here first. Yeah. I'll bow to Tim. Yeah.   Maybe Tarantino's 10th film, we can get Tim Allen in it.

Oh, can you imagine? What a dream. Can you imagine Tim Allen on Pulp Fiction  or something?  Quarter pounder with cheese. , yeah, it'd be great.  We need to like put Martin Short in there too. It's a little sidekick. Marty Short. What a gem. Yeah. , Aaron, why did we watch jungle to jungle? I have no idea.   It was seriously such a great  90s deep cut. 

Forget about you. They do. See, here's the thing is that , I have a lot of cinema conversations. I have a lot of nerdy cinema friends and jungle to jungle is just one of those movies of that. Like when it comes up, it just instantly gets a reaction of like, Oh shit. Jungle to jungle, bro. I haven't thought about that movie.

I also had an interesting reaction though, because I told a female friend of mine, Who's like, , my same age or so. And,  when I mentioned Jungle to Jungle to her, her eyes lit up and she said that this was basically like, you know, sort of a sexual awakening seeing young Mimi Siku. She thought Mimi Siku was hot stuff. 

 Shirtless 13 year old boy.  He was pretty ripped. He was, yeah. For 13. Hey, if you're living in the wilderness, you should be ripped, you know, that hunter gatherer body right there. And you know. Don't make it weird.

Sorry. Don't make it weird. That's Andrew. That's what he does. Yeah. , I've ruined the whole vibe from time to time. So if you feel , I'm acting out,  just yell at me, kick him under the table. Yeah. Just kick me on my shin. So,  we talked about like doing a film. I was like, Aaron, , you get to pull right now and tell me something nostalgic.

 .  What is nostalgic about jungle to jungle? I like, other than what you just said, I feel like every nineties kid remembers this. Yeah. Well, it was part of this like whole wave of like jungle core late nineties, jungle, Georgia, the jungle, Georgia, the jungle, Congo, Tarzan was around that time too.

Me and my, , childhood best friend, we were really into, , the crocodile hunter, Steve Irwin, you know, big Steve Irwin fans. , yeah, of course, of course. , so something like this whole, like weird, I mean, like, uh, Orientalism is not the word, but it's very, this like American, like fantasy of what jungle life like might be like, , just seeped into the nineties bloodstream and jungle to jungle just totally captured the fantasy of like a little kid.

, Yeah, being from the jungle and coming to America. And yeah, it really stuck with me.  Me and my friend watched this on VHS, , from the rental store, like over and over and over again. , and then of course  I didn't think about it for like 25 years. So then like,  just talking about jungle to jungle again, , , , it's just so shocking that this movie ever was made.

 I feel like also like that jungle theming was kind of like that wild coming out of you, like the, like call of the wild kind of thing. And it felt like it was very much a generation X. Yes. Kind of theory. Yeah. Gin X, like tribal drum circles , but like pre sort of like the anger of new metal, it was like, there was that brief sort of like tribal sort of.

Dang. Yeah.  You pick it up when I'm laying down. Yeah. I mean, and Andrew was a fetus too. When all this was happening, I was five. Exactly. So yeah, pretty much a fetus.  Like how old were you when jungle to jungle came out? Cause it was 97, 97. So I was, , I was nine. Yeah, I'm a baby you are Yeah 97  there was a lot of these like bad movies  there was a plethora of garbage around that era, if we're being honest. 

It felt like it all got looped in and correct me if I'm wrong or if you're not feeling the same thing, but it was like always like a terrible father. Yes. Meats.  , a life alternating thing where he like throws his entire life away instead of just making the subtle changes to be a better father. The estranged father was such a common theme back then.

 Well, I feel like there's like two things, right? It's like, number one is that the 90s  it was marked by boomers, like, You know realizing that they had like a lot of money and everyone was sort of like drowning sort of the malaise of their bourgeois lives  the divorce rate was continuing to rise so  divorce was like a more common thing and   I think that studios continue to look to At Kramer versus Kramer , as this sort of like holy grail of original storytelling and like the power of Kramer versus Kramer, which I think was like the number one, , movie at the box office the year that it came out.

Now, granted, this is  15 years afterward, but , the narrative power of divorce and the broken home and a father trying to be a good father. I feel like Kramer versus Kramer really set that trend. And Hollywood basically  rode that train for like two decades. You might be on it or something.

That's it. That's your next book. If you haven't written a book yet,  maybe it's your next documentary. The Kramer versus Kramer effect. Or just a manifest to be a book, just a manifest, you know, 10 pages, something that people will read it, you know, Andrew, what do you, what do you remember about it? I remember going to seeing, seeing this in theaters, but honestly, rewatching it, , last night.

I. Didn't really remember much at all. I just remember Tim Allen being a big fucking deal back then You know, he had the santa claus in 94. He had toy story and I think 97 wasn't it? , or 96 it was 96 was , but then you know this one,  Tim allen was on a movie poster You were probably going to see that movie if you were a younger kid your parents were going to take you to see that Oh, yeah, good clean family fun.

Yeah, there you go. , so I remember going to see it You , but I don't remember the movie whatsoever. It definitely had left my memory bank, but here we are ready to get back into it.  I was watching it last night and I was like, I don't remember any of this. I don't think I ever watched it or at least fully watched it, you know, like it probably came on Disney channel at some point and I probably like caught.

Bits and pieces here and there but I do remember  vividly the vhs Like blockbuster when you would go in because it had like what tim allen with the the headdress and an arrow in his mouth And you had no clue what was gonna happen. He's like shirtless, but like painted He's got lots of feathers and it took me being 33 years old to realize.

Oh jungle  Yeah, it hit me last night like halfway through. I was like, Oh,  What's so funny about that title is Disney would never allow the number two in a title because obviously you need sequels to be two like yeah  But to be fair this is a remake for anybody  Yes. That has no clue. Like. Yes. Yeah. I missed that in my research.

Please enlighten me. A French film named Little Indian in Big City. Yes.  I bet that one's gold too. So this is a sequel. Which Disney released a dubbed version of. , three years before Jungle to Jungle came out. Oh my God. Yeah. It's famous because Roger Ebert saw a little Indian big city, gave it zero stars.

And so he deigned to give Jungle to Jungle one star.  He said it was slightly better.  , .  All right, Andrew,  now that we're talking about numbers. What kind of juicy numbers are we looking at? All right. For jungle and Jungle, I always like to do this. , I just want you all to guess what you think the budget is.  Oh, at the time with Tim Allen. Tim Allen probably like, demanded a high paycheck. , didn't they filmed in Venezuela? Yeah, they actually did. Yeah. , I'm gonna go with uh, , 27 million. Very close 32 million. Oh nice. So it's like you almost like know a film budget  Withdrawal was that budget 27 million?

No, it was not  so,  released on march 7th, 1997,  opening week,  got about 13 million back. Okay. And then There are no international numbers, but domestic all together Guess again, guess again for me. Humor me. What do you think?  Domestic growth. So what did you say? The opening weekend was again, right around 13 million 13 million opening in March. 

  Gotta guess one guess each and then I'll just yeah, I'm gonna say it didn't . It didn't make the 32 back. You were wrong. I'm gonna say no I'm gonna say I'm gonna say 38 You 59! Wow! Essentially 60 million. Okay, so  it pretty much did it. And with Home Video, it definitely made its budget back.

First year. Marketing budget. Got a nice little chunk back. Yeah, you know. For sure. Did not beat the Santa Claus, as you said. Not even close. Did not beat Santa Claus. That's okay. But this is a Disney win. On their budget book. Yeah. They're usually pretty good at that stuff though. Like they know how to market the shit out of things and, , wave it in our faces and get, , Midwesterners and middle Americans, to buy in and love it.

 That goes back to what we all said. Home improvement, Tim Allen, everybody was going to get like, people were going to take their kids to see this. Yes. Although I will say that this probably marks the beginning of the end. This is, we are post peak. Yeah. Yeah. We're, we're at the downfall of Tim Allen at this point, not the deer, but definitely  the backside of the, of the cresting wave. 

Until Tarantino resurrects his career. Oh God. Yeah. Five years to do the John Trotch treatment for Tim Allen. I'd love it.  If Tim Allen had a cameo in his final movie coming up in a couple of years and Dennis Quaid as well, my heart would be so full. . , along with Kurt Russell to got to throw Kurt Russell in there as well.

For sure.   All right. Are we ready to dive in? Yeah, let's do it. This is gonna be a long way. So I do wanna men make mention this film seemed very long to me and , I saw that the runtime was an hour and 45. Yeah. And it felt a little long. Did anyone else fill out  a tad bit?

Yeah, I was about an hour in and I was like. We still got 45 left. Why not like 25? Yeah,  it has a sort of episodic almost sketch like structure once we once  maybe siku comes to manhattan   With these like very sort of like sketchy set pieces. Yeah, and a sort of  , I don't think it's like a poorly written film, but , , I think the sketch nature of it feels a little repetitive and the rising action doesn't quite like take us all the way to the third act.

Yeah. We'll get into it as we kind of talk through the beats. I gotta say something. The , little title screen, Jungle to Jungle, did that feel very word art esque to you when you saw it? You remember word arts? Like on like your old like PC back in the day? Oh yeah! I just thought it was very like  Lame. It was not, it was not, , professional looking or it didn't blow my mind.

I was like, I could have made that. I'm not a graphic designer at all. Disney had to cut budget somewhere. It was going to be their title screen. It was a black screen with like a border that looked sort of like tribal esque and just jungle to jungle and like green and red letters. Yeah, I don't know. I just, I would, the first thing I saw and it just, you know, stuck with me.

I don't know.  From the second it started, it brought me right back again for the record. I have not seen this movie since I was like nine or 10 years old. I immediately upon seeing those titles, I was like locked in and you know what they didn't skimp on was that helicopter. And that, cause , the opening shots of this film Absolutely gorgeous.

That's pretty stunning. Yeah. And that's probably where a lot of the budget went to, , to  do this opening scene. And the helicopter. Yeah. And I'll be honest. I didn't know where it was supposed to be when I first saw it because I didn't realize it was Venezuela. So my mind was like, where the fuck is this?

Where did they go to shoot this? This is gorgeous. Are they in Africa? Are they? were in China, like the Apple screensaver. Or something like that. Yeah. Like the Apple TV screensaver. Yes. You know? But no, it was legitimately Venezuela. I mentioned , the length of this movie because a lot of kids films at the time, you know, due to attention span and which they're like 90 minutes to get longer hops.

Yeah. Yeah. They were 90 minutes. , I don't know if you know this, but, , a huge case of film was lost in a taxi somewhere when they were filming in New York. So there's no telling what the directors cut of this film would have looked like. Oh my god. So they shot more. The lost gold of Jungle to Jungle.

So somewhere out there is a case of film that has a day's worth of shooting on it. Oh man. If you have the missing scenes of Jungle to Jungle, please get in touch.  We'll send you a,  address to send everything to. So then we might get in the Smithsonian or something like that, you know, we all know where it belongs.

That film. Exactly. This is probably like an NC 17 cut. Oh my. Like Mrs. Doubtfire, like that, one of those rare cuts.  Yeah. Or the clown laughs,  I would put this up next to the clown laughs. It's the great , missing things. This is a, and the, and the magnificent Ambersons  it's out there somewhere.

If you have it, please contact us.  Let's begin. So we don't, I don't think we start in Venezuela though.  We start in the stock market, don't we? Yes. It was opening scene was the stock exchange. What? Oh, wow. I've already like reorganized it in my head.

That's okay. I've probably done that with other scenes as well, but yeah, , they're fighting and you know, bartering and trading number one. Yeah, exactly. , it's pure chaos. Like the stock market is, and this is where Tim Allen's character is. Vigorously buying coffee stock. Yeah.

Coffee options.  How many shares was it in total? Like 300 or something like that worth over a million dollars, which isn't that much. I guess if you were a stock trader, I mean, I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about in terms of stock trading. So excuse my ignorance. He was like working for some sort of like boutique kind of brokerage.

Cause it wasn't, he's not , it's not Goldman Sachs here. , I guess that they were just wanting to establish the jungle of New York City and they wanted to establish, I guess, the greed of Tim Allen  but he doesn't really come off as greed.

He just comes off as like doing his job as a stockbroker, kind of, but he didn't seem like a total asshole. He was just, you know, living his life. No, I think it establishes the dynamic between him and Martin short. Yeah. , good old martin short. Oh yeah. The best side character , we will ever have agreed.

And I think this is  they're only like hookup outside of doing, , Santa Claus three, right? Oh, tragedy. Really? Yeah. I could have sworn they did other stuff. Maybe they did. , that's just the Mandela effect in your head. That's the Mandela effect of jungle to jungle.  Oh God. If I'm Martin short, I probably wouldn't want to work on anything else after that with him. 

 And then I think we cut to Venezuela. So we cut. We're getting all those beautiful shots , he's going to Venezuela to get a divorce, to get a divorce, to cut a cut. Yeah.  Hold on first. No, we get the sweeping shots of Mimi Siku paddling alone up the river. He climbs a mountain and he screams over the valleys. 

It's like, we're really seeing , , his freedom as a white tribal man, the jungle  thirteen year old boy, too. But isn't that like so? I mean, isn't that just like such a weird western fantasy of like this sort of like back to nature, , childhood with perfect skin and perfect hair and like, yeah, it's not maimed at all.

Yeah. , great teeth too. Great teeth. Great teeth. Great teeth.  That was my one question. Like how did he have such beautiful teeth from start to finish better teeth than Tim Allen? Seriously.   So we have that shot, , to establish his, , freedom , and to, Tim Allen's trying to get divorced.

He's going all like which I didn't  the first opening 10 to 15 minutes of this. I was like what?  It's taking you 13 years to get a divorce. Yeah, that's weird Yeah, it's like you haven't talked to her in 13 years. You finally just had to trace her down very cordial  reunion after a 13 year like abandonment, right?

And I know that some people  are hesitant but some jump right into a relationship with someone who was You know, married or they know it's on the fritz, but like they'd been together it seemed for a long time. It's like, oh, he'll get divorced eventually. I'm not gonna worry about this now. And people at home who've never seen this are probably like, what the actual fuck are you guys talking about?

And we don't know. We , basically Tim Allen's getting married to this fashionista, I guess An artist. An artist. She's an artist and she's.   But he's still married to his ex wife. He's getting divorced like two or three weeks out from when he's supposed to get married to this fashion.

And he's been married for 13 years, right? Yeah. Or longer. They've been estranged for 13 years. He wants to, yeah, he wants to marry this vapid self absorbed New York socialite. Or like Matt, maybe magazine designer. It's not quite clear what she is. Maybe they mentioned it, but it's not a title of the plot.

She doesn't really have very many redeemable quality. All you need to know is that she's vapid and selfish and he has to fly to Venezuela to, to divorce his wife, who was a doctor who left him to go live with this indigenous tribe and provide medical care because that's the Saint that she is, how, how just. 

Generous of her, you know, just how amazing yeah that a white woman, you know went to venezuela and did all that.  Brave brave. That's what kyle would say by the way So which by the way, we need to pour one out for kyle. He couldn't be here on this this one today  Yeah  He left us to go to Chattanooga, or Venezuela, or Venezuela.

Kyle's in Venezuela right now. Helping pigs give birth, I think. That's what he's doing. ,  I want to point out a fun little  Continuity error here.

So he flew into Caracas. Obviously, she didn't show and then the lawyer was like, oh, she's in Lipo Lipo Lipo Lipo is not in Venezuela. It's in French Guiana or Guinea. Am I saying that correctly? Guyana Guyana , which is like two countries over from Venezuela, because if you, if you Google map Lepo Lepo, it's literally in French Guiana, not Venezuela.

, I think they tried to like sweep that under the rug, but I, that was one thing that bothered me. , that was the town that the, , Disney executives could pronounce. Are we sure there's not like multiple Lepo Lepos? but if you Google map it. It's in French Guiana, just a couple of countries away.

But what's more believable that there's multiple or Disney just said, fuck it and just looked at a map and said, that's going to be our cat on the ladder. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agreed. World travelers, Disney's is,  she's making it out to be his fault, which at first I'm like, yeah, okay. I can believe it.  He was working all the time. That's what she said. But she and didn't. Talk about it or try to get a divorce or do anything. She just left  And then on top of that that's when she takes time to tell  him that he has a 13 year old son.

She's like I started to write you letters and I did I was like That's one thing you just have to, you have to kind of go through. I'm sorry. You have to pick up the  phone and call somebody and let them know that they have a baby.

It's a very interesting narrative through a needle that they chose to thread, which is that like, yeah, they retained her as an absolute saint to make sure that. Tim Allen's character is the one that has to go on the journey to change and become a better man and a father.  Even though she just casually mentions to him that oh, here's your son, by the way.

Yeah, which you know disqualifies her sainthood in my opinion. And he's mad because like  you didn't tell me in 13 years. And then she was like well, it's not his fault and it's like  What? Like ma'am.  You know, what's weird is that like I'll be honest while watching it this time.

I totally bought all this  did not register to me as I was just like, well, you know, , I understand what they're trying to set up, but I was just like, She's just as his fault as he is and  now you're both Unlikable to me at this point, even though she's like her more than him, honestly It doing more like saintful things, But that's just like kind of like just to hammer you over the head that this is a good character Yes, but the dialogue wasn't written for a good character.

Yeah. Well her action her actions are not esteemable At least in regards to her marriage. Did anyone think she looked like Susan Sarandon? I thought it was Susan Sarandon as soon as she came on the screen. I was like, wait a second. Is that her? I believe the actress is John Pasquen's wife. Oh, is it? Yeah, the director's wife.

That would make sense Yeah. , a little laugh out loud moments, , for me was when he first, you know, came ashore and he had all his electronics out in his bag and they were rifling through it. And then his razor was whirring in the sand on the beach. And he screams out,  this is a brawn. Oh,  I didn't know it was that, you know, it'll rust.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder how much brawn paid for that. Yeah. They had to have, yeah,  that was hilarious. After they kind of meet up and he learns he has a son, he's trying to like trade the coffee stock at like it's at an all time high. I think 97 and a half or something. He's about it at like 90 or 91.

And he's trying to get the satellite phone to work and they, Yeah, where's his service coming from? Yeah, especially in the 90s. Yeah, there's no Starlink. There isn't other things in that capacity back then. He literally has a laptop on the beach though. Yeah, I think it was sponsored by T Mobile at the time. 

Um, or Sprint. Yeah, Sprint.  And the service doesn't go through. So the shares are never sold, which is a big key point in the movie. ,  meaning that it was probably sprint that he didn't get service  to send it through. Um,  yeah,  whatever.   He thinks he's sold the options at an all time high, but he has not confirmed with Martin Short to make the sale. So then he instead changes his focus where I don't even remember like sort of the weird movie logic that they use. I guess he thought that if basically his wife tells him like you need to have a relationship with your son now that you're here.

And I guess he thinks that if he does that, then she's going to sign the divorce papers sooner. So he's trying to like butter her up by spending time with the son.  So then he and the son go out on this like, Fishing day out on the Amazon or whatever jungle river, , rainforest river that they're on lizard guts were involved.

Yes. And this is when he begins to bond with Mimi Siku.  And one of the worst jokes of this film, because, , he doesn't know that Mimi Siku can speak English and, uh, they're on the river. And so he's trying to teach his son English. And Mimi Siku points to a passing parrot. , and says like moco or so what do you guys remember the exact words?

It was something like that moco. And he goes, uh, that's not moco. That is bird. That's a bird bird. And then he goes, bird who don't sing moco. Oh, no. Cause I wrote that down. That was such a, Awful joke, but oh god. Yeah, Yoko Ono taking strays from this fucking random. She deserved it. She does deserve it. Oh god  And didn't they like and they say that Mimi Siku?

Means cat roughly translate to cat piss Yes. Yes. That's what the mom said. So what a way to take the air out of that character, , immediately. I cackled at that because it came out of left field. Like, why would you throw that non sequitur in there? Like, what the hell? Who are you trying to reach with that?

 They really fill it full of, , infantile jokes, at the beginning of this movie. That's Tim Allen Korg, you know. But, I'll be honest, as a kid, I loved it. I thought Cat Piss was so good. so funny and the fart jokes that come a little bit later. And Tim Allen's like, talk about your wind instruments.

Like I thought that was comedy goal. Every Tim Allen movie has to have like a scene where there's a, just a bunch of farting. Like, I don't, if you remember when we did the Santa Claus, I don't know if we touched on it, but when you got to the roof. There was just nothing but reindeer farts.

We did talk about that. I think Comet, you know, past, past guess. I was like, why? Um, and so,  it seems like they're bonding pretty well. Him and Mimisiku. , he learns that Mimi Siku has a pet tarantula, which will come into play  at a  tarantula. 

Well, excitable  moves pretty damn fast though, with a wonderful tarantula prop might, it might, I had to be like, it is, it is ridiculous, but they have a robotic tarantula that runs across the sand. It looks pretty good. It looks pretty good. And, , it also does hiss, which that's what  A tarantula that hisses.

Oh my God. It must be a Venezuelan tarantula.   Kyle did tell us that that's the one thing he hoped we mentioned is that tarantulas do not make noise. They do not. If you, if you're confused by that, so will we make any noise whatsoever? I don't think they do. No, that's not part of their,  they don't have like lungs.

Yeah. And they don't have like a  vocal chords. I mean, they have, they have lungs, but they don't have like an airway to make noise. God. So, yeah. No. If I'm not mistaken, it hises a lot in this too. Oh yes. Anytime, anytime it, you know, it comes in contact with someone other than me sku  it lets it out.

So there's one point where I thought it was the cat and it was the tarantula that was hissing. Like when they were in the same room together. I was like, the, why did the cat hiss? And I was like, oh,  fuck. . Yeah.  We're there.  So they get back to the village and Mimi Siku makes a deal with Tim Allen that hey, when I become a man, will you take me to see the statue of Liberty?

That's right. I remember that part. Yeah, and he was like yeah, sure, a walk a Tempe and they do their little. They do a lot. Yeah, they broke. They broke shake. They broke. They dap each other. Let's be honest. They dap each other over and they call it a walk. A gentleman's agree. Yes, and this is a promise that when he becomes a man, Tim Allen will take his son to see The Statue of Liberty and secure the fire.

Secure the fire. Yes. That was part of that came later though. Yeah. He  doesn't reveal that. I'm jumping. I'm jumping the gun here because fast forward a bit. They have that little, , tribal initiation the following night where he becomes, Whoa, man.  Pulled a fast one on his old man and the tribal chief requests him to go to New York city and bring back the fire from The statue of liberty.

Yeah. Why do they have fire? Part of the tribal ceremony is he has to put his hand over a burning ember. Yeah. So why do they need fire from? I don't know. Disney wanted to throw that in there. They wanted to tie it back. They had to get him into the other jungle somehow. Can we infantilize this like, this group of people anymore?

They don't like, they need Fire from a statue  I rolled my eyes so hard at that scene.

Yeah, I smiled. I did. I filled me with joy and pride. I did start laughing hysterically though when so at the ceremony we learned that Tim Allen Well, he was like I can't take you. I thought when you were a man, he's obviously referring to him being 18 20 21 Whatever whatever that may be   And his ex wife starts freaking out, like when you make a promise you, you keep your promise.

Oh, that's rich.  You're being a little hypocritical, ma'am. Like you held, you held onto the secret. That woman is a saint.   She helped a pig give birth. That was her save the cat moment, 

save the cat. What a great one. , yeah, no, she, yeah, she's, she definitely goes hard on him for promising Mimisiku, , that she was going to take him. I mean, honestly, listen,  she's been a single mother for 13 years. That's true, but she didn't probably have to be. Yeah, that was by choice.  She just, all she had to do was write one letter.

Oh, like he would have been present. He would have sent money.  He would have, he would have supplied money. She is above money. Jesus Christ. That, that hospital she could have, she could have bought and worked out of wouldn't have been above money. Oh, wow. Yeah. Wow. You guys are really hatin on, , I don't even remember what her tribal name was.

Penacu? Penacu, yeah. Was it Penacu? No, uh. Let's look it up. Palu? Paluki or something? I'm being insensitive myself here, but. Yeah, no, keep trying. Keep trying. No, I think. This definitely won't get into a weird place. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're done. Yeah. Cromwell is what her character name is listed as. They don't have the indigenous name, so.

Yeah. He used the full name  instead of just Patricia.  She is a doctor. I will give you that. She's a doctor. Okay. So hold on before, while we're still in the setup, I do have to say one thing though, in praise of this movie, because there's a lot of things to make fun of course. Yeah. Okay. But , the way they shot this whole sequence in Venezuela.

I think on the whole is they, it's shot really beautifully. , the cinematography is like, look, it's not, it's nothing like artistically groundbreaking, but it's really, really good. And it brings to light, we're so accustomed to CGI effects. We're so accustomed to CGI extras.

And in this movie, like, even when they're at this. Tribal village it's like filled with extras in the background like doing all sorts of stuff And it really brought to light of like, okay, this movie is like objectively bad yet It feels more expensive than almost anything that is made today and it really brings to light But just how, CGI effects for how expensive that they make studio execs feel, and how much these VFX studios are charging for them, there is, they are almost always cheap.

And watching a film like this from the 90s, which had very, very minimal, you know, budget  effects, maybe just the fly and maybe just the shot of Mimi Siku sitting on top of the, of the statue of Liberty. , it just had such value. Like it felt nice. It felt expensive. So that was actually in my notes and later down the road,  It's so nice to watch these movies and see everything looks real.

It feels like they're living in that world.  We talk about it on this podcast a lot. I always hate on Marvel and I don't hate on Marvel because they're bad films, but I hate on Marvel because they don't feel real and I can't invest in a character and I can't invest in what they're doing if I don't feel like they're doing it in a real environment.

 Like why not just go play a video game or something at this point and get more mileage out of it. It's  Yeah to your point like it's yeah The dialogue is pretty rough and the situations that they get into you're kind of rolling your eyes the whole time But it is so nice when we go back and visit these 90s movies and have something real and tangible That we can look at And feel yeah, like even even at its worst dialogue I was still feeling something for the characters even if like it was like off with  the mom  i'm still able to feel something instead of nothing.

Hey, you were you were all on her, dude I thought she was great  Uh, what a woman. , all the jokes aside This movie is really like it's looking good Yeah. Yeah. The looks and the shots and even the locations are on point.

And even when we get to the New York setting, some beautiful shots there. I always love 90s New York shots. I just, I don't know. Totally. It brings you back. Yeah. Great shots of the Twin Towers. Yeah. Whatever happened to those shots?  God, how many movies have we talked about this? How it's always like such a  central focus of a pan or a, you know, transition, you know, speaking of transition, I think it's time to transition to that right now.

Tim Allen after this whole setup scene, he agrees to take Mimi Siku to New York with him. It'll be  a weekend or whatever. And I'll send him back and she'll sign the divorce papers to the logic you were talking about earlier.

, and then they get on a plane. And somehow he's able to take a spear and a bow on a plane. And I was like, man, this really is pre nine 11, but I don't even think in pre nine 11, you could just take on a bunch of weaponry. Well, I actually will attest. I was traveling with my mom. I must've been about five or six years old.

So this would have been like 95. , and I had a. ,  cap gun in my bag and it was a multi leg flight. And it took until the final flight when a security guard finally was like, Hey. He can't bring this through, but that means I made it through two different airports with like a revolver shaped cap gun in my bag before anyone said any, well, the funny part about this is Mimi Siku is holding the spear, like just out in the open.

And it's like,  he's like, and he has the bow around his neck and he's wearing his loin cloth. They know  he's just like, there's nowhere to cover it. And he's got all the poison tree. And then he takes a piss. Like in front of , the bathroom, like near the exit sign, just like on the floor. And the flight attendant comes to Tim Allen's like, Hey, Hey, your, your son's peeing on the exit sign.

 Can you get him wrangled? It's just like, what the hell? You can't even take shampoo on a flight now in LA. Yeah. But how about those? Seats though, they were big, big seats,  spirit flight, like the upgrade, right? It looked above coach back where they were sitting,  I'd kill for those seats right now.

Oh yeah. Take me back. Take me back. When I can bring my spear and I can sit in a goddamn chair, hold  somebody captive with a cap gun and piss on the exit row.  God. We head back to New York, right? We're in New York now. So now  everything's kind of settling into its plot. We know why Mimi Siku is there. Also a great line on the transition. They're going across the Brooklyn bridge or the Manhattan bridge. I can't remember which one, I think Manhattan bridge actually going across the Manhattan bridge and Mimi Siku, they're in the cab riding in and Mimi Siku looks over to his dad and he says, this your village baboon.

Also, uh, Tim Allen is named baboon at this point by Mimi Siku. And he says, this your village baboon. And he smiles as this helicopter, orbit shot,  with a little bit of, dolly zoom effect in it, it's absolutely gorgeous.

As they like go into Manhattan, it looks great. And I do also just want to give a shout out for like these lines like that, that are so bad. Sam Huntington, who plays , Mimi Siku. God, what a,  what a horrible role to book as your like feature film debut. He did the best he could with that. He does, I think he does a great job.

It is such an unforgivable and like horrible card to be dealt as an actor. And he, does a great job. He's still working to this day. Shout out to Sam Huntington.  I thought he killed it too. I thought he did a good job with what he's the hand he is dealt  terrible dialogue in an embarrassing costume.

Right. And he just nails it. Yeah. Scene after scene. And, , I do want to go back because we're talking about shots now. , does anybody remember the snake kill back in the jungle? Oh, yeah. And it just went slow motion all of a sudden. And it's like,  I felt like I was getting glaucoma. I don't, I, what an odd choice to get. 

Because there's no other shot like that. No, I don't know. But flashing forward. And now while they're back in New York, Tim Allen figures out that they didn't sell the coffee. So they've missed out on a ton of money and now coffee is falling,  multiple dollars, you know, he looks like an idiot.   Now his company's mad and they're trying to figure out like, Hey, why'd you tie up so much money in coffee?

Coffee's tanking, all that good stuff. And then I'm, I'm trying to remember what happened next in that scene. I think they bring, don't they bring Mimisiku into the office at that point and they go like straight in or something like that? Yeah. Yeah. And then cause, and then he's like, Oh, I've got to fight the, my chief, my whatever.

Has boss. Yeah. Dickhead boss. The tarantula comes into the room and like, you know, Mimisiku tries to kill him with the tarantula,  which he also brought onto the flight. Oh yeah. Yeah.  In a wicker basket,  like not even like locked. With no hinges on it at all, like it could pop open at any moment. This deadly tarantula.

And so like he sends the tarantula in, Tim Allen's like trying to like, maneuver around and he's screaming like a madman to get his bosses to look anywhere but down on the floor where the tarantula is. Yeah. That's just And then he's like, no, we can't kill boss. Like,  which I'm, and now in today's society, I'm like, yeah, kill boss.

Like, I mean,  who the fuck cares?  Yeah. No empathy there. And, and then I think that's where Mimi Siku meets, , his, I guess current wife. Yes, there is current future. Yes. He's in between marriage. There's a lovely transition scene from the office to the apartment complex. It's just, you know, some casual shots of some of the nicer buildings and, you know, downtown Manhattan, the financial district, but in the background is the Mexican hat dance song that is playing.

And I was just kind of floored at , that choice of. Of audio like such a weird musical transition that like, Comes off a one liner. I don't even remember what the one liner was. And then all of a sudden you get 

And it's supposed to like punctuate the joke and like somehow like tie into like Mimi Siku, like being from like, 

Totally bizarre and, , hamfisted. I get that Mexico is Latin America, but like he's from a, Indigenous tribe of people. They don't know what the fuck that hat dance is not according to Disney  Weird. , it made me laugh in a somewhat of a dark place But like I laughed  Not not not with them, but at them so I mean as an extra layer of darkness I think this is also the transition that reveals that their office is in fact In the World Trade Center.

Yeah. Oh, yeah, their office is in one of the twin towers, hence why there was no sequel, because  too soon  for too soon. Come on,  God  and then what his uh and then his house right like his apartment. He's got a baller apartment. Yeah, it's like in right above central park. Yeah, looking over the park.

It's a lovely, lovely penthouse. Yeah, it's Very, very expensive, but I, you know, I'm sure he makes good money as does , his girlfriend partner. I think she's a bit more of a hangers on. Probably, probably, but there is a lot of money in fashion, especially in New York. So you never know, but I agree with you.

But they're also, they're filming a documentary on her at the same time. Yeah, she's kind of like one of these Socialite. So like, as she's preparing, so she's incentivized that this wedding between her and Tim Allen, like really needs to go according to schedule because she has booked a documentary crew to document all of the fashion choices of her wedding.

, so that's very important to her. And she has these other sort of vapid fashion characters following her around with a camera. It was so stereotypical and just yes stupid cartoonish, but it's cartoonishly gay. Yeah  Yes Cartoonish gayness in 90s Disney  and then she is she meets Mimi Siku and she's not a fan She's there's no empathy whatsoever.

Like Tim Allen is like I have a son and she's like, what the fuck? You have a son that's inexcusable, which also I'm like, he's getting it from two different women at this point. not only in one jungle, but he goes to another jungle and now his, I guess, fiance at the time is like, if I had a child, I would have known about it.

Yeah. The female representation, , let's just say it doesn't get out of a two dimensions in this film. It does not pass the Bechdel test. We can go ahead and throw that out there. So anybody that's wondering. Yeah, they're basically in the, in the world of jungle to jungle. They're either saints or they're, uh, you know, something else.

So  it's, it's terrible. Yeah. Sociopaths  kind of ish. I think just more, it's just like, Oh, she's a bitch. Like that's essentially how you could sum up his fiance. Yeah. She does seem sociopathic  though. Like she's very much like. In tune with herself and only herself and does not give a fuck they make her dumb.

She's like so dumb Yeah, like I'm playing into the stereotypes. Yeah, which you'd expect. Yeah.   Now we kind of get kind of like a moshposh of stuff happening, right? Like we got Tim Allen trying to figure out the stocks. Yeah. And also trying to teach Mimi Siku how to not be a villager.

Like he's. No, yeah. Mimi Siku is crawling outside of buildings and on the ledge on the ledge and doing all this kind of crazy stuff. And so  that's going on. But then Martin short. comes up with this crazy plan to, for them to get their coffee money back by, by basically, , laundering the  stocks. He takes, he's going to sell the stocks to a Russian mafia man, posing as like a fishmonger, a caviar salesman. 

, and they're going to sell, they're going to basically launder his dirty Russian mafia money by selling him these coffee options at only 5 under. And only five dollars under per share. So like it's a it's a win for them. They're just trying to capitalize on it and they go to this meeting and  Tim Allen was like Okay.

No, we're not selling them We're not selling them because he he still thinks the coffee stocks are gonna hit and go back up And he's very confident about that and what we learn in the movie the one thing he's really good at That is stocks and understanding the balances and when to sell. That's his job.

Yeah. It's his job. It should be. One of my favorite parts in the movie is when they go meet, uh, what's his name, Javonsky or something like that? Javonovich. Javonovich. Mr. J, which he didn't like to be called. He had like a five part name. I tried to give him a midwestern name, but he, uh.  He shows up and they're like they're sitting there talking to him and he makes them eat  fresh caviar from the fish Which I'm not even sure like you should do that.

Don't you have to clean it? Well, it's like it's a parallel to mimisiku doing the fish the lizard guys So like tim allen refused to eat the lizard guts from his son who swears that they're good But then he's willing to eat the caviar from this mafia guy because he's afraid of him I will say though that that I think that little moment is one of the best moments of like dual physical comedy from Tim Allen and Martin short as they both. 

, grab this caviar out of this Russian guy's hand and eat it and put it in their mouth. Uh, I will say the comedy that came from Martin Short in this movie, he had several one liners that actually made me laugh. I thought Martin Short, he can just be in anything and make it work.  Martin Short is like the Harry Dean Stanton of comedies. 

Oh my God, it's so true. Some of it was a little slapstick y, some of it's funny. physical comedy towards the end was just like, all right, we  had some one liners that were, you know, and he does end the button of so many scenes of just him screaming at the top of his lungs. His petrified face later to where he's like holding on to the, to the  but so they sell the stocks at.

You know and get their money back or get some money back. I don't think they got all their money back But they're they basically cut their losses on that So they sell the stocks and he goes back and doesn't tim allen Like he's like, oh, I gotta spend more time with my fiance. He has this like he does but he also has some moments with Mimi, Mimi Siku, where he's just kind of like showing him the city.

Right. And there's some, there's some trials and tribulations because I think like the previous night , the girlfriend had like fashion friends over and they catch him eating cat food and like the kitchen or something like that. He wants to kill the cat. Yes. He wants to kill the cat and eat it. And then he sleeps out in like the veranda or , the porch outside overlooking central park.

And he wakes up and he, he kills a pigeon like in the. The level below is a woman's like feeding it and he ties it to his belt. Yes.  Which and he gives it to a homeless man to eat the homeless man is like begging for food and he goes here's food He gives him the dead pigeon I will say one thing that that makes sense when he's walking through the city by himself Like I believe that because you could see that it's new york some random kid just dressed as like a tribes person Oh, I will say like you wouldn't question it all those like sort of like uh fish out of water type moments to me as a little kid Magic cinema gold, like killing the pigeon.

I just remember watching that as a little kid being like, Oh God, I just would, I would love to  kill a pigeon with a bow and arrow.  Some ladies apartment are so annoying too. So, Hey, actually I've come really around on pigeons. I'm a smart, I'm a big pigeon proponent. I'm serious. I'm serious. They are smart.

I have to say this. Yeah. Pigeons are critical to the scope of human history. Pigeons are amazing. It was the fastest way for humans to communicate for thousands of years. We had a symbiotic relationship with pigeons.

And we have cast them to the gutter. It is totally unfair to the pigeon. We have turned pigeons into pigeons into this bird and they live in our cities now. And now we look down upon them, but we actually owe them a great debt of gratitude. And, , I'm just very pro pigeon. So I just had to put that on the record right here.

If you're a pro pigeon, we're pro pigeon right here on held up. Yeah.  I don't hate pigeons. I just, when you live in New York. And you see them all the time. They get annoying. They're like the rats of the sky, but they're still on the ground, you know?

See, but this is the kind of anti pigeon stigma that we need to fight against. Apparently, like very intelligent. They have this incredible ability to home that, humans utilize throughout history, , as magical. Mike Tyson loves him. So I mean the little nugget you brought us is lost upon us.

It's not lost upon me. I gathered it like upon you, but I also did. I'm so sorry.  I'm going to go home or I'm going to go buy a pigeon from Petco and tonight or maybe grab one.  I'm sure Blair will love that.  Have a heart, Chase. Why do you have some money? God, these pigeon mills are just churning out pigeons left and right.

Like a golden coat pigeon. I would love that. Like, or maybe, maybe like a mixed breed pigeon. Yeah, get a mutt.  Something with a raven in it.  Raven pigeon mix, that's a good one. Jesus. But, and I think we like, we get like a good line of dialogue And I actually really like this scene, but while, while he's trying to teach Mimisiku, Mimisiku runs off because he's like, I gotta go to the Statue of Liberty.

I gotta get fire. He ends up climbing the Statue of Liberty finding out well, hold up. Yes. I'm sorry. Yeah you off, but we can't miss this Incredible montage of Mimisiku when he runs away from Tim Allen and he has his day alone in the city. Yes, which is set Yeah, Peter Gabriel and Shaggy Was that song written for this movie because I tried to like like Shazam it And it did not identify whatsoever and I was very confused as to why because I recognized both their voices I had to yeah, I had to double check like I just looked it up It was like jungle to jungle soundtrack and saw peter gabriel and shaggy  Bravo, my god, it yeah  Crossover we didn't know we needed but yeah, it was It's such a great song.

At the same time,  it's pretty fire. I was feeling it and it's a great New York montage.  It's,  you know, him walking around with his bow to at the same time. It's so absurd and yet it really it really works. It was the precursor to phil collins and tarzan soundtrack.  We don't get phil collins tarzan without this.

Yeah, let's yeah, you heard it. You and peter gabriel walk. So phil collins and tarzan could fly.  Oh God, but I, uh, and then at the end of that montage is where he goes to the statue of liberty. He sees that, you know, there's no flame there. He's disappointed and the police have to get him down.  Yes. So the, the police call Tim Allen.

He's freaking out. And he's like, he's like, come get your son. And they just let him go. And then, um, there, no questions asked, no DHR coming in, no child protective services, anything like that. And we wonder how 9 11 Jesus.  , and then we get to the point where they have this like back and forth dialogue where earlier Mimi Siku was like, why do you have to go to work?

And he's like, I'm obligated. And he's like, what does obligated mean? He's like, I got to do something. I don't want to. And then it's a very important line. It's a very important line. Because at the end of this, he's frustrated, obviously, because he cannot leave Mimi Siku alone. Mimi Siku is like, This is his jungle.

He's exploring  And he's like you said we were gonna go why didn't we go and he's like I you know I was I had to do this didn't any other way. Why did you bring me here? Then he was like I was obligated and mimisiku puts two and two together that like, oh Hi, remember what you said earlier and it's actually good line of work dialogue.

Yeah, it's like I think they used all their  eggs in that one basket , but it's a good like character work here because now mimi siku is like, oh i'm a burden to you Yeah, and he starts trying to run away And Tim Allen basically is , okay, if you're going to live in my jungle, you, I've got to teach you how to live in my jungle.

And this is kind of where they start to bond. Cause now it's more of a, not an obligation, but like as an understanding. Yeah. And then they start kind of go to Nautica, go to Nautica, get some nice clothes.  He had a cool sweater. It was nice. Yeah. Get some big cord sweaters. I'm like some oversized, like JNCO jeans, like knockoff, like Nike jeans.

Like tennis shoes,  they go to Central Park, don't they? And  while they're doing this, like We skipped over this scene because I didn't really think it was important, but it is funny to mention But when mimisiku  left to do his day in new york with peter gabriel and shaggy Um his spider got out and trapped Tim Allen's fiancee in the bathroom all day  for like a 16 hour period  and then they get back from their spree and he's got all the like his like bags and stuff his new clothes he's like and then he's like his fiancee's just screaming in the bathroom he has to go let her out like can you imagine  can you imagine your wife  Having a spider like she can't do shit man.

Like come on  We can side step a tarantula  And then like I remember well not one that hisses no not the one that hisses. Oh my god. No, it's like a Hissing cock tarantula. I want to I want to ask y'all , you remember the scene in central park when  they find that random band that's  Playing very, very eclectic music.

Yes. And the scene around it is incredibly eclectic as well. You've got like Arab men and women, Hasidic Jews, black, white, all over the spectrum, just dancing and having a good time. And like, yes, New York is like the most eclectic city in this country, but like that collection right there was just, It was a little cartoonish for me.

, it is such a 90s vision of diversity where it's basically like the, I'd like to buy the world of Coke commercial, like distilled into its heroin purity and injected into the midpoint of this film that have like, we could all just be together,  like dancing to this. Tribal fusion band, which is like also the epitome of sort of 90s tribal like musical fusion.

It is so surreal And what a time caps. I rolled my eyes so hard at that shit. The old man of me was like, this is fucking stupid Cringy why you're drinking your Weller and smoking a cigar and you're mad about that. Yep. Oh my god   

one scene that I want to mention. Yeah. I got a laugh out of it. , I think it was that morning. Uh he gives some Cap'n Crunch, remember? Yeah. Oh my God. And like, there's a lot of bad parenting in this. Like you have a kid who has been in the jungle all his life, but like, there's no guidance until he. Gets,  commandeered by the police, but he doesn't give him a bowl, doesn't give him spoons.

He doesn't know what any of this shit is, and he pours the milk and the Cap'n Crunch out on the counter.  I've got to argue that because he knows what a pot is.  Yeah, I just like I we glossed over that one, too He doesn't know what a bowl and a fucking spoon is but he knows what a pot is and he uses it to like What did the tribe do?

They give a young man can gift a woman a pot Which that's like a meeting like ritual or something. Yeah. Yeah, where the fuck did he get the original pot?  They're in the Iron Age, like the  . No one else had it. I guess they all gave 'em away. Yeah. I think you, no, I think  , but they have pots.

They had, they had pots, . And on, on the river. Yeah, they had pots. Um, but there was also another line that I, it was corny and stupid, but  I chuckled at it. , Tim Allen just reads off the ingredients of the, , the cat crunch box. He's like, corn brown, sugar, yellow, five zinc oxide. Oh, they're putting sunblock in it now.

I just, it was so fucking dumb. But I laughed. I laughed from a point of, , Oh, what's the word I'm looking for again? I wasn't laughing with them. I was laughing. I was laughing you were laughing at them But I thought it was I thought it was wholesome and stupid and I appreciated it. There's another funny scene that I want to mention too that it's not really trivial to the plot or anything.

But do you notice like when you watch, I don't know, I don't know how many of these movies you watch on your, like in your spare time, but every week, every week when you, we were watching like the Santa Claus and Jinko all the way, there's always like a really adult like joke.

It's not like sexual or anything, but it's just like,  you know, you put it in there for the adults. Yeah. The one that I picked out here was the, the one guy that had the, the three fingers. Yeah. And he's like, whatever happened to his other two fingers? You know what I'm talking about? Yes. So they go into the market.

It was the mafia like doorman or whatever. The guy who's like progressively getting more and more injured off screen because the mafia boss keeps abusing him. They were like, he was like, what you got to do is you got to. Like knock twice, ring once, twice, ring three times. Which they couldn't fucking, can't commit.

No, no, no. God. And then like he holds his finger up for the three times. Yeah. And they're like, what happened to his other two fingers? He is like, well, he rang four times or he didn't knock twice, or something like that. I can't even remember what the line was, but I thought that was hysterical. 'cause it was.

And it brought me back to some of those other characters we were talking about. They get maimed in all these other movies, like the firefighter in the Santa Claus.  But  I don't even know where we're at right now. This is, we're all over the place. We're past the midpoint. The other like thing that we've neglected to mention is that Mimi Siku has had his meet cute with his love interest, Martin Short's daughter. Is her name Jane? Is that what it was?

I don't know, man. Yeah. They fell in love at first sight, man. It was a nice, it was a sweet meet cute. She was getting fitted for her dress for the, for Tim Allen's wedding. He's 13. She's 12, you know, just sparks flew, which is, I mean, we're, we're kind of there now because like, yeah, he met her earlier, but now, so Tim Allen's going to try to repair some damage for it with his fiance.

So he sends Mimi Siku to stay with Martin short, right? Who has, he has like a house out in Westchester. He's got a house in the country, as they say, which is there's no country around New York city. It's either it was it's in Connecticut or yeah. And we meet. The actual saying to this movie the martin shorts wife.

Yeah, who is like very understanding this kid Doesn't really understand the rules and regulations of living in new york So she's trying to teach him and being very gentle with her parenting which actually goes a long way. And I'm like, Oh, it's very loudly to him on  when she meets him. But yeah, she's a little, she is, she does play like, like, Oh, awkward white lady, but her heart, your heart is in a good place.

She's the only one using some common sense here that like, you can't just like, let this kid do whatever he wants. Cause he's used to just doing whatever he wants. Um, exactly. And, and Martin short has gone behind Tim Allen's back and sold the coffee shares because they kept falling to the Russians.  He, no, no.

Now he's, he's already, he is now recouped them. He's bought them back. He bought 'em back out. Fear that because the price has now fallen below $75. That they're gonna get off or something. Yeah. That the Russians are gonna kill him. Right. So now he's bought the futures back, which.  A mafia man wouldn't allow just to resell.

He would squeeze the shit out of them. Cause it was like a million dollars. It'd be like a million and like 25 percent or something like that. Right, cause at first, he went, Martin Short went and sold the shares first behind his back. And then now they've gone and recouped the shares. And he has the certificates back.

He got rid of the case of a million dollars or whatever. And the Russian is like, How do I know that you're not swindling me? And he's like, no, we're not swindling you. Cause they don't know. They're just trying to get the shares back. Cause Tim Allen knows eventually they will hit. He doesn't know it's going to be 24 hours later.

And then I think what we could really call this is act two padding. Yeah. This is act two padding. This is the top of act three. We gotta, we gotta stretch this. , we gotta keep this, this string going. We're getting there, but not quite. Yeah. It gets, it gets really confusing there for a second. But. And now they've bought him back, and Mimisiku's living at their place for a little bit, and this is where he's really smitting with his, um, Jane or whatever.

Martin Short's daughter. He gives her a tribal name and everything. Oh, he paints her face. Face. And they kiss in the, the starlet fields. Which is what I really needed in my movie, was a 13 year old and a 12 year old making out. We want to see that love, for sure.  Before that, I believe, um, this is just a small scene.

The mom gives him like a frozen, frozen like fish plank or whatever. Yes. And he takes a bite out of it. Oh, you silly boy, it's not cooked yet. And he's like, oh, hey, come out here. I'm going to show you some real fish. And it turns out he has killed and cooked Martin Schwartz, like exotic, like fish tank collection.

His cichlids. Yes, cichlids. Kills them all. Roasts them on a plank. Which are from the Amazon. Yeah. So, like, that's how Mimisiku knew. Actually, the fish that are actually in the tank are African cichlids. Oh, continuity error there. Although cichlids live in both Africa and South America, , my dad has a lot of, , Had aquariums growing up.

So you like the foremost, like, , expert on, on Cichlids here,  the three of us, maybe  three. Absolutely. Like  you knew what they were anyways, maybe sequence really left his mark on the family. And  it's just, you know, he's trying to leave his mark on the daughter.  Okay. Can we talk about this for a second?

Cause like, okay.  Let's get  the obvious out of the way the whole concept of like having a 12 year old actor 13 year and a 13 year old Actor kiss like on set like for this movie that's like for family friendly audiences like is inherently cringy Yeah, however, like to deny that  Those types of feelings between a twin, that it's like, it's all very innocent.

I mean,  it's like it's sweet little kid love kind of stuff story. And when we're younger, we're not going to think much on it. It plays with our heartstrings. I mean, you are having those feelings like at the time. It's just , the actual like practice of going about it and shooting it in a movie is, , rather distasteful.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean it and this I'd watch 10 times over the blank check where we're watching a 40 year old. Well, yeah, that's so that  Yeah, this was a palate cleanser compared to that. God, maybe if we started here it would we would have felt like I yeah I'm with you. It was it. It felt weird, but it didn't feel Like malicious or anything like it.

Yeah. It was cringey, if you wanna put a word on it, cr, cringey, but, but not unrealistic, at least within the circumstances Yeah. Of the story. And both actors, you know, did a, you know, are very, are very good. Um, yeah, because, , the girl that plays. I guess we're saying Jane is her name, but, , because she was in joy ride too.

And I think she was in, um, she was in something else. Like I looked it up last night. I should've made a note, but,  she has kind of had a, a pretty solid career since this movie. So, you know, this, this kicked it off and this was her film debut too. Nice. Yeah. Nice. She does great. Yeah. Fun fact for everybody. 

 But , Martin short finds that out now and he catches them sleeping in the hammock together. Yeah. Oh, he freaks out premarital switch or anything of that matter. I mean, It is a just 12 year old daughter, so like it is kind of weird. And to be fair, if you're martin short and your 12 year old daughter is like getting close with.

You know, Mimi Siku who is just  I guess we call him unrefined  Yeah, it's like and you're  and you're you come from he's a fixer upper. Yeah Oh god, we're gonna need him on trading spaces, but You understand where the dad's coming from. This is his 12 year old girl. So like he uh, He's freaking out a little bit, but he's not like Yeah, but he's doing this very, very stereotypical dad thing.

It's the wife who's like, all right, calm down. Like you're not like the wife is very level headed about all this. She's like, and you know, she's basically like, listen, like this is like very innocent. Like they're not,  yeah, they're not having sex here. Like they've curled up in a hammock together. Like they're, It's very innocent and sweet.

We need to chill. Which I'm back to that. That wife is very, like a lot of common sense coming out of her, like the whole way through. Yeah, for sure. I can't remember the actress's name, but she plays, , George's pretentious girlfriend on Seinfeld. The one who wears the chopsticks in her hair and then has a nervous breakdown.

Uh, yeah, she's a great show. So at this time too, so ,  he's kicking Mimi Siku out and kicking his own daughter out to send her into camp, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. And then put her in a convent. Yeah. Also, I loved her little brother, Andrew. Oh, so funny. Yeah. He actually had the best lines.

He crushed it. We're going to smoke her out. Let's go.  .  And then,  Tim Allen comes in to help out cause he's trying to get, grab Mimi Siku. And one of my favorite Martin Short lines in this is like, they're trying to ram the door down where his daughter's like locked it. And they both go flying out the door, out the window and over like a, like man, he's a Martin Short, like that fall, like it hurt. 

Yeah, it's a 90s physical gag, where they run over a banister, fall two stories onto a table,  land completely on  their back and shoulders. Yeah. And then Martin Short gets up and his daughter, like, I think it was his daughter. She was like, Oh dad, are you okay? Okay. And he's like, yeah, yeah. Let me lean on you though.

A little bit. And he's leaning on her and I, that got me. Uh, I thought that was so funny. It was funny. I just, some of that. Slapstick physical humor. Just again, it was just dumb humor. I can do without, but like the one liners that come out of that were kind of funny, but it wouldn't be the same without that stupid physical humor.

So yeah, you got, you give and take, give and take,   now at this point, coffee has gone back up to like 90.  Over 97. Yeah. So now these shares are something worse. So now the Russian thinks that by buying back the shares, they've screwed him.

Yeah. So now the Russian is going to , show back up, , to their house. , and this is, and like the, yeah, and then like they know he's coming and they're like trying to rush out the door, but he catches them just in the nick of time. The Russian mob just happens to know where Martin Short lives up in Connecticut or Westchester or wherever the fuck it is.

They put it in their GPS that doesn't exist and they know how to get there right on cue, so. Oh God, what a scene, what a scene that ensues. And here we are at our climax. Yeah. And then this whole brawl breaks out where it's like, and we forgot to mention, cause I think it's, we're at that point where we need to mention it.

Tim Allen has this fascination with trying to use Mimisiku's Like blow dart gun. Where the fuck did what the fuck is up with that? Why is he obsessed with Mimi? He shot himself in the foot early and put himself asleep because this dart gun works like that Yes, he's got  martin short's wife.

Yeah, and then he shot he shot the cat Yes, and it was like throwing it around and like violently shaking it out I was like, I know the cat's asleep. Just put it down somewhere That was another scene that I remember from my childhood thinking was hilarious him You Shoot him knocking the cat drugging the cats with a dart gun and then trying to make the cat pretend like it was like high energy for his for his fiance It  was like I'm glad you and Coco are finally getting along and he's like, oh, yeah Go get it and they like threw it into it He threw it under the table every time he throws the cat.

They have this wonderful like heavy thud sound effect Of just the glitch cat body  around hilarious. It was a great, , like stuffed animal that was there to  look very real. And so , it all comes back full circle. Cause Tim Allen keeps trying to use this, this dark gun and now he's trying to use it in this battle, which Mimi Siku is like holding his own, like taking out multiple people, the tarantula, threw it over like the banister on the lead mafia, like a fucking like. 

Ninja stuff. Yes  It works it freaks the dude out that's what you know Pretty much starts the whole storm of violence and the fracas. Yeah, exactly. So now it's like , this family , of two young children, Mimi Siku, Martin Short, his wife, and Tim Allen versus three mafia, large mafia, which  Guys, 75 percent of this was done without Martin Short's wife because Tim Allen knocks her unconscious.

Well, they all go unconscious too because Andrew pricks himself as well and he passes out. So,  the, the, the Kempters, they're all passed out and it's just Mimu Siku and Tim Allen taking on these three mafia chieftains. And there's a gun on the floor being kicked around. There's a knife, a big old blade. Um, why use the gun when you can use a blow dart?

Yeah. It's so ridiculous.  And then Mimi Siku uses like the touch of death to like  unconscious. Oh yeah. All of a sudden, yeah. Mimi Siku knows how to get your ventricle  artery to pass out. So he gives like somebody like three people strokes and then they go down. Um, and, and I think it finally ends up with Mimi Siku and Tim Allen versus like And it wasn't the main boss, but it was his henchman, like his right hand dude.

And you know, he, they win the battles. I guess. I can't even remember how they win it. The, , the main dude, , was really afraid of that tarantula. Yeah. It's the tarantula. Yeah. The tarantula wins the day. Yeah. Yeah. And ultimately the mafia guys get in their car and, and the, he just goes, get me away from that spider nest.

Which, which in this point, they're in the car. The family's. Standing in front of the car and like Mimi Siku's like holding the train.  So at this point just plow over them in the car It's a it's what is it like an old? Chevelle That thing's built like a tank. It could have killed the whole family. There's no reason those mafiosos This is some real Disney logic, but like, it's childhood fantasy, like, wouldn't you love to imagine your dad,  , and you with a spider in your hand, defeating some ridiculous Russian stereotypes.

Okay. Oh  God and that's and that kind of wraps up that big climax of the scene Because now we get like the end pretty much. Yeah. Now Mimi Siku is kind of like feeling homesick. He wants to go back Yeah, he wants to go back. He's seen  the other jungle and he wants to go to his home, right? And I think he's like I couldn't find fire from the Statue of Liberty.

He's like Tim Allen's like, the fire is within. And I was like, Oh, here comes some good. And then they just dump it. Like, they don't even like go further into it. Mimisiku is like, no, I want to go home. Yeah. Like, fuck you. And then Tim Allen's like, here's a lighter. Yeah  So they get which is great a nice statue of liberty lighter and would that be allowed on a fight?

so That would be 97. It would I that's I wasn't sure was it 3 9 11 enough that they wouldn't allow him to bring that on because like I don't know. What's the issue? What's he gonna do? I guess people smoked on airplanes back then too. So Not 97. No. Yeah. No, no, that's when Like in the eight, like, like the eighties is when they stopped smoking.

I could have sworn it went into the nineties. I remember. Okay. I, I believe you, but. , and like to tell people at home, like, yeah, it, they get to the point where Mimisiku is, he's about to fly out and Tim Allen's like, okay, you're going to go home now.

And he's still got his bow and his spear and his tarantula. He's got all, like all of his shit. They're just going to get back on the flight with all. And then he, um. Sorry, fun little, fun little fact for you. I want to go into  this smoking. Is this the smoking? Yes.  1998, 1988, smoking was banned on domestic flights of less than two hours.

1990, smoking was banned on domestic flights of less than six hours, and on the cabin and passengers of all flights, but not the flight deck. 2000 was when smoking was officially banned on all domestic and international flights. So it could have been around could have been around. It's just , we're pushing it there Sorry,  I had to hang on to that one Yeah So he hands me me like he's like here's this a statue of liberty liner And he flicks it up and there's light  from the statue of liberty.

I'm sweet. Yeah Yeah, it's cute. Yeah, it's cute It's touching. He gives him a satellite phone or whatever. And he gives him some camel blues. And he's like, American spirits, bro. And he sends him on his way. Tribal. Yes. And then, and then we get the, the turn here. Cause Tim Allen goes back home and realizes that his fiance is a bitch.

She sucks. There's nothing, nothing worthwhile there. Yeah. He's hated her this whole time. . Maybe secret tells him that  he has to kill a fly Yeah with the dart gun in order to become a part of  the tribe So he so Tim Allen keeps practicing his dart gun. He practices it in the stock exchange, which coincidentally he kills the fly But in the process he also kills the fly Knocks his boss out. 

He was talking shit about him if you remember. Yes, he was. Yeah, yeah It's just ridiculous  and then so he calls him saying hey, I killed a fly and he's like, oh, no I don't like he's like I believe you like I how did you do it or whatever? Are you gonna show me when are you gonna show me and he's like right now?

And he's still wearing a suit like he knew he was going to this island  Yeah, and shows him the fly and I think mimisiku makes a  comment about jane He's like, oh, why don't you ask her yourself? And then here comes martin short and his family. Yeah, he's dragged them a whole family Coming down to venezuela  Yeah, like what a vacation and his wife the whole gang Why would they want to go live there? 

Because we need a shot of Mimisuku and his 12 year old child bride Yeah, running into the water. Who jumps out of the the boats and swims like a quarter mile to the shore He could've just waded another. Even though we've established that these waters are full of piranha, by the way. And crocodiles. Or alligators, probably crocodiles, or both.

Caiman? Caiman, yes, for sure. That'd probably be more suitable. I don't know if it's distinct, but you know, regardless, toothy creatures that will kill you. And then that's the, and then we get a cutting, cutting away shot of Tim Allen looking at his ex wife and I assume they're probably going to get back together by like how they're yeah, they are.

They're hinting at that. What's he been missing out in this past 13 years? Sparks have been rekindled. Yeah. He can forget about the lies. And then they have the credit scene where he's at that little, you know, in, you know, Introductorial like ceremony. He has to like brand his hands with the, , the flaming embers and he does it.

And then he just runs out of the circle and screams and then it cuts. Yes. And that's it. That's ridiculous. It's like, and, and after all this whole journey of him learning how to love again, he's still a goober. Yes.  Oh, Tam. New York didn't make him that cold.  He knew where his heart was all along. And, and that's, That's it.

That is Jungle to Jungle in the year 2025. Alright, two jokes that I want to throw out there. Okay. We're lost in  our playful banter, but, , the first morning he leaves Emusiku alone with his girlfriend and the tarantula lets loose and,  he's looking throughout the house. Remember he lifts up the covers and he says, nice poochie poochie. 

And she's not like wearing anything. I would imagine that's a euphemism for something down below. Yes, I could be wrong, but I, I was like,  Oh, I think she, and she responds. It says no poochie poochie for you. That's exactly what she says. Yeah. Yeah.  That stuck with it. There was another line at the beginning.

This is one Tim Allen and you know, I was talking with his wife upon first introduction after 13 years and he says something to the effect of you're the mom who brought him down here to live with the pirates of the Caribbean.  What the fuck was that? Disney plug there. Disney plug. Is that too? Branding and whatnot.

Yeah. Vertical integration. Super insensitive. But it made me laugh. And Disney also had to make sure that they made up a language for this movie. Well actually no. It was real. But I mean. Did we discover? Panera. ,  I don't want to mispronounce it. Panare is a real language spoken by, , indigenous people in Venezuela.

I don't, , and there's like a whole lexicon at like Caracas University. It is a real fucking language. I don't know if what, yeah, we can't, we can't, we can't, uh, verify that Wakatepe is actually, I  tried to Google type in Poochie Poochie or whatever it is in your Google translate somewhere. Don't do that on your work computer. 

This is where we, if we had a budget and sponsors, like a VPN sponsor, I can lead right in like, that would be great. Wouldn't that be awesome. If you own a VPN company,  we're here.  Help us Google Poochie Poochie at our leisure.  Eric would do it on a Behind the Slate podcast.  You get two for the price of one year.

Jesus Christ.  , this was a dark thought that I had, and y'all can scorn me for this if you don't deem it appropriate, but I thought a funny, dark sequel that would never be released. be created. It's all, it's all hypothetical is the Russian like mafia finds out where they actually are. Now get the chemisters.

He got Tim Allen and he comes out and just like, they come down and it's like, wipe them all out. Yeah. They just go cannibal Holocaust. Yeah. They enact their revenge on them and the tribes people. , yeah, very dark. I'm sorry, but Hey,  there's not it. A day's worth of film missing. Who knows? Who knows?

Maybe that could be in that. Oh wow. Yeah, we don't, no one knows. The director is not even sure what's all in it. If you know, let us know. We're, we're curious. Yeah, we need to know what happens in Jungle 2 Jungle 2. 

Possibly a trilogy. We don't know. , so Aaron, , let's start with you. You finally got to see it in the year 2025. How did jungle to jungle seem to you  as an adult? I honestly,  I, there was no way I thought I would ever say this. I think it holds up. I do. I just, I mean, I come, I just come back to like,  The  actual like technique of filmmaking on display here is respectable.

I mean, Disney spares no expense.  Again, despite the absurd premise and the ridiculous dialogue and the bad jokes and like everything, and insensitiveness. Yes, of course. How could I forget?  How could I forget the insensitiveness?  I will say this. Like on that point, I don't think it got as insensitive as I thought it was going.

It really could be a lot worse. I thought it was going to be way worse. It's insensitive in premise, not so much in execution. Yeah. , except for its treatment of women. But, ,  but it's the 90s. We've done that a long time ago. Medical test has failed. It's more insensitive in premise. , and it's, and the sort of orientalist fantasies that it's based upon.

,  and the going native.  a weird fantasy , of Western Europeans. But, , no, I thought the execution was actually like pretty good. I was, yeah, dragged a little bit with that sort of episodic sketch nature that we talked about earlier, but I think,  it's still sort of sustained. And  the sort of shifts in the relationship between Tim Allen and Mimi Suku track, the through line carries through.

And, It leads to like a pretty satisfying climax. And I thought, again, like I enjoyed the actual tactile sensation of watching this film more than I enjoy watching most modern entertainment with its complete lack of extras, overuse of CGI, lack of real locations and just sort of soulless filmmaking.

So. Yeah, I think it holds up fair.  Did it bring back a lot of childhood memories to you? Yeah, just like the weird little scenes of like the  the passed out cat and stuff like that that I thought was great as a kid  and  I just remember the movie very vividly in my childhood brain.

Yeah, nice Andrew. , Yeah, so I thought this was going to be a lot worse Like I went into it thinking like oh my god, i'm going to hate myself this is gonna be another batman and robin or godzilla type thing and  I don't love tim allen But he has a soft spot in my 90s kids heart.

So   I was curious to see,  how I would enjoy it. And like, I don't think it, it holds up to the extreme. It's just kind of a, a, a barely holds up, , but it does, it's not something that I'm going to go watch again in  six months. No, maybe if I have kids, I would watch it with them.

It'd be something that I would show them just to see how they react to it.   For the record, as a parent, I do not want to show my child this movie.

I saw it in your eyes from across the room. Psychological test. I would just be curious.  But that would be the only time I'd go back and watch it. That's the only  scenario in which I Feel that I would willingly watch it is with a youngster, but I wouldn't want them to see a youngster Not his child my youngster.

Sorry, I think you could show a cousin like a cousin in this movie. Maybe maybe It wouldn't it wouldn't be  at the top of your niece and nephew the list But I do think it holds up just barely But it does and I was you know, I wasn't impressed but I came away, you know surprised that I actually enjoyed parts so  Yeah,  I think  it barely holds up for me as someone who doesn't have an attachment for this movie Like I went back and forth.

 I do totally agree like  it is the filmmaking was really well done. I went in thinking this was going to be super insensitive And it was only minorly insensitive and I think for me, that was like enough. 

Now I probably wouldn't watch this with anybody else. Like I, I would not recommend this. This wouldn't be a film that I'm going to someone and being like, Hey, you should watch jungle to jungle. I disinvited my wife from watching this with me. I just said, I have to go watch jungle to jungle. I need to do this alone.

It was your choice though. Did you tell her that? Well, I did tell her. Yeah, she knew. She knew. Yeah. I don't think she was exactly chomping at the bit. Yeah.  You didn't go, you want to watch it with me? Yeah. No, but that, that, there was no invitation. Yeah. This was a private experience. She casually watched with me and she was just, you know,  reactions that you would assume.

Blair came into the room, saw it and went, Oh yeah, I remember that movie and walked out. And that was about like, and that sums up jungle to jungle. , but yeah,  I do. I agree. I think it, it holds up, but by the skin of its teeth, Just one thing we always do at the end is we give it like our own IMDB score.

So I want to do that before we forget. So Aaron, go ahead. , give it your score  out of 10. Just, you know, you can be as harsh as you want to. I just, it's fun to put in our perspective. Yeah, no,  I want to be fair and balanced here. Um, I, he gives it a 9. 3.  No, no, no. I think, , And it we can give decimals and I am for sure.

Yes.  Welcome decimals. Okay. So I'm going to give this, , I'm going to give this a 3. 6. Okay. Yeah. 3. 6. Okay. Yeah. I was going to go a little bit higher than that and say like a 4. 5. Ooh. Yeah. It didn't 3. 6 to me. Like That just  sends off alarms and  would make me angry  for watching it. I don't feel that way.

I don't think 4. 6 is good by any means. My scale is just a little bit, you know. But here's my thing is that I always think like IMDB and Letterboxd and Rotten Tomatoes, it's always like biased towards this , Feeling of like, Oh, well, like I don't want to be mean to the movie, but by saying it's 4. 5, you are saying that jungle to jungle is better than 44 percent of all the movies that exist.

Is that, you want to go on the record and say that? No, it's just based more on a feeling. He's going to die on that hill.  I, you, you could, you could talk me down to the high threes, but to be fair to. Some nostalgic that it's nostalgia that it made me feel and  I guess Tim Allen's insatiable charm and comedic wit.

I'm going to keep it at 4. 5. I could, I could go 4. 2 in a heartbeat, but I'm keeping it 4. 5. I was going to say 4. 1, but now you've scared me. And I, I think, Hey, speak your mind. Yeah, yeah. Don't, don't worry. Like your truth king,  but that makes me land on a real, like an actual score that I think, I think 3.9 for me.

Yeah. 3.9. Just for the record, it's actually a 5.2 in ITP, which I think is still too, so. Well, and  we talked about this before, like we. The reason we talk about this podcast is because of the, because you can still vote for these movies and you can still like juice the scores.  I feel like all these like movies that we watched when we were kids are getting juiced by, I remember that movie that was really good when I was little and they haven't seen it since then.

Yeah. And, and that's why we're here. And to let you know, don't use the jungle to jungle score. Don't push it over five. In fact, go vote for it to come down a little bit. Yeah. I mean  what I just , put out there, , is really like what I would say to anybody rating movies. Like you remember, you were saying that it's better than this percentage of films always.

Cause you know, people on letterboxd, they're throwing around three stars. Like there's no tomorrow. I do love when you do , the letterboxd reviews.  Your show at the Plaza.  That's the best part. You know, the whole show is great, but like that, that's like, I'm there for that. Yes. , for those who don't know ASA, like I give a, like an intro historical context, like mini podcast, then we watch the movie and then we open up an audience discussion, but to kind of get the juices flowing, I read bad letterboxd reviews of people just  like all time, great movies.

Which is just, it's also like kind of humbling because it's like, you know, there's just always haters out there. It's like celebrities reading like mean tweets about them where they're just completely shitting on them. It's the same vein. Exactly. Well, Aaron, , before we get out of here,  what do you want to tell us about , your upcoming movie?

Is there anything you can tell us about it? , yeah, , so it's a feature film that I've been working on for a couple years now. This will be my first, , feature that I've ever made. Congrats, man. Yeah, thanks so much. , it tells,  a sort of heart wrenching story about two young lovers battling heroin addiction.

, and it follows them through the course of a single night as they're trying to kick the drug so that they can get on to this, other drug. Called suboxone. , that helps people, , get off the opiates. , and it follows them through the course of a night and they're, as they're doing that, they're going through their memories and sort of tracing back the relationship to see how they got here.

That's been my main focus for a number of years and I'm really excited. We're going to be doing our, Premiere here soon. I can't quite share the details on that.  But, , if anyone wants to follow me on,  Instagram at stranded on stage or the film's Instagram at withdrawal film, we'll be dropping all the details about, the premiere here in Atlanta and then, , future showings throughout the rest of the year.

Awesome. We definitely can't wait. We'll be there opening night. So yeah, love the work that you do.  Again, Aaron strand, you can catch him on, , upcoming withdrawal date to be decided, follow him on social media. And then, uh Behind the slate, great podcast. And then Crash Zoom, right?

Like that's the new one. Yeah. You can check out the podcast and you can also, , if you're hearing this before January 23rd, , come out to the plaza. We'll be screening, uh, Clio from five to seven by Agnes Varda. Yeah. Thanks for being a gracious guest and putting up with her  over here. So he tagged out with Kyle and that, that was, that's something to be said there, but yeah.

You know what we do here. We reached into that side, your childhood memory banks. We pulled jungle to jungle out from your memory. You're welcome.  And we decided it holds up. So maybe go watch it. Maybe don't, I don't recommend it. Aaron says, maybe not. Andrew says, if you're a child, you can go watch it. So go jungle to jungle and we will see you next time.