Hello everybody, happy spooky season, and welcome to Hold Up, the show where we dive inside your childhood nightmares, pull the movies from your past out, to see if they truly hold up. And there's no better place I'd rather be holed up than right here with Kyle and non sarcastic Andrew.  Even if you're a hostage, and you're fending for your life, cause that's, that's the situation right now.

We'll save that one for Die Hard.  We're not ever gonna watch that movie because it's offensive. It is offensive. Especially in this day and age. It's offensive. We watch Blank Check. There's nothing more offensive than Blank Check. Or Godzilla. I don't know. Die Hard's up there. Die, that, any Kevin Spacey movie.

And Ray Liotta movie.  Where are you just saying actor's names? We're The Otis Brothers. , this week we are tackling a childhood favorite of a lot of people out there. This one's actually been requested, believe it or not. Did you believe, did you know we have fans? Who requested it?

There's no way we have fans. I'm just kidding. It was like our dads.  Oh. Bad dads? Yeah.  Oh, cool. Well, anyway, we tackle casper this week.    Kyle again I want you to describe your energy level in the form of a halloween candy.

 We're about like it's like when you're a week You post Halloween. So like we're in November and , you coming home from school and you just got off the bus and all you want is that like Milky Way  and you have your heart set on the Milky Way, but your mom's hidden your candy.

So you don't eat it all at once. And you go and look for that Milky Way and there's no Milky Way, but what's left in its place are the hot tamales and you have to make do, you have to make do. And you realize you never had a hot tamale. And you realize what, what you're eating when you eat it.  And, It just kind of tastes like hot gum.

So you ever had a real tamale like an authentic tamale? I had one this last weekend actually. Hey, congrats. Thanks, bro Tamales are delicious. Hot tamales are are not good. They're like candle wax, right? Like if I don't I don't I think it's been a while. If you put them in your nostrils and let them dissolve They're better that way But I just don't understand how anybody when I was a child thought that that would be like something Oh, let's give that to a kid.

My mom fucking loves those  like Mike and Ikes and shit like  My dad loved Mike and Ike's and Hot Tamale, both of those. I like Mike and Ike's. Boomers. Boomers. Mike and Ike's is like But at least it had that redeemable fruit flavor or , fake fruit flavor. Hot tamales are just that nasty ass wax cinnamon.

 If someone solidified fireball in the sun for  three days.  Hey, I don't mind fireball from time to time. I'm not gonna knock it that much but you lived in nashville for a little bit  Is it from nashville? Yeah, that's so annoying cinnamon whiskey, baby And that's what when I was a freshman, that's when it started becoming like  really popular Everyone was shooting it back.

It was cheap It was super cheap. It still is kind of, but I mean, yeah, there's a reason it's cheap, but it's disgusting because of the asbestos. Well, Casper it's it's time.  . What do we remember?

Kyle, what do you remember about Casper? This was one, again, never saw it in theater. I was five when this came out. So this was, I would have had no way I was going to go see this in theaters. Um, again, my aunt Linda, shout out to aunt Linda. , my Aunt Linda who introduced me, my brother, to , a lot of great movies.

We watched this one , at her house , for one of those summer weekends. , uh,  I remember it being like,  kind of funny, but not really. And sad. I remember just feeling overwhelmingly sad, , looking back on it, having watched it, it's not necessarily a sad movie.

, I kind of felt the same way. I remember a lot of fanfare with this one. , I would have been five at the time as well. So we definitely, I don't think we would have went to theaters to see it. If we did, it would have been one of my first movies to see in theaters. Um, but I do remember watching a lot, having the VHS copy.

 And I loved it as like a kid is like a Halloween movie. Like it was one of the first movies that I remember watching or seeing on TV a lot during Halloween and it created that atmosphere of Halloween. So it felt like when I was watching Casper, it's like, Oh, it's October.

, I felt like I was trick or treating and I could see the fall leaves. , it was the perfect summary of a child's Halloween.

I will say that the, one of the, one of the, we'll get into this in a second,  . One of those, one of the opening scenes when they're in the classroom, it just took me right back to grade school. Very much quintessential to cut the Halloween decorations on the chalkboard and that like the drape They had up was very like did you mid 90s? 

School.  How was fall in Cincinnati?  It's exactly like what it looks like in Casper Okay, exactly what it looks was it but so like in Alabama  It was short lived. We got fall kind of late because it's kind of like it's kind of like Atlanta. It's like hotter longer Much longer so like fall started mid to late october and went Interesting into november and then we just kind of went straight into winter We didn't really have much of it because again in atlanta.

We don't have much of a fall No, it goes right from summer into it's cold now. Yeah,  but it never gets too cold either. So there's like another Layer to that andrew can attest to this because it's very similar in lexington They're only about an hour and a half two hours away from us.

So it's pretty much the same  where  September hits the light the quality of light changes the sun starts going down a little bit quicker Yeah, and it starts it gets cold pretty quick cools off what mid to late like September 20th. It's like fall It's definitely this past weekend. It was 55 at night and in the morning.

Yeah, it was insane. 

 , Andrew, what do you remember about Casper in your childhood? I remember it being in, , my Rolodex of things I watched frequently.

It was this, Lane Before Time, and Scooby Doo. Scooby Doo and this were the same genre, it's the same Are we talking about the show, or are we actually talking about No, the show, the original. Scooby Doo, Where Are You? and Scooby Doo and Friends. I thought we were talking about Scooby Doo the Zombie Movie. , I like that one too, for sure, but that was probably a few years after this.

Definitely. , because it came out in 95, I was only 3 years old, so I didn't watch it until I was probably 5 or 6. I remember having it in VHS copy. And it came in like a glow in the dark case.  It was a glow in the dark like green case and I always could see it in my parents room sitting on the VHF shelf In the middle of the night because it had you know attracted all that light, but it would it would glow And i'll be honest.

I don't remember when I watched it last night. I didn't remember like jack shit I was like this doesn't look familiar to me at all But I know that I watched it so many times as a kid. I guess I was just very very young So that and that's what's crazy to me Me and kyle talked about that on the way You To record,  I didn't remember anything from this movie until I started watching it.

And then I started picking up on little bits and pieces here and there. I shouldn't say I don't remember everything, it's just, it's so fuzzy. But I agree, , going into it, I didn't remember anything. Yeah. And it was like, crazy because it was a movie we watched a lot as kids, but I think this is one of those movies that, I We didn't watch as adults.

Like once it reached a certain time period, like you're not watching certain things. You may watch certain children's movies for nostalgic purposes. Like a lot of people like go back and hit the high ones. Like they go watch Lion King, , or Aladdin, those type of Disney movies. All these other ones just get lost in the shuffle.

I don't know why Hocus Pocus keeps popping up there. Hocus Pocus is one of your favorite Halloween movies. I am  That's another one. What do you mean? Do you not like Hocus Pocus? Are you kidding me? How dare you? No. Contrarian fuck. No. I'm with you. I hate it. I don't like it. I don't know why it's getting the love it's getting,  , but I put Hocus Pocus on in Halloween town and Casper, like in , those movies that were really popular and we watched them all the time, but like probably didn't watch them outside the age of 10.

Maybe. No. Maybe not even eight. Cause I don't think I stopped watching this one probably before I even went to like first grade. It was like kindergarten preschool and then that was it.   I gotta ask you guys a question?

Do you guys remember the pizza hut commercial? No, uh  I, I think, I think I do actually. Did it have the ghosts? Did it have the three ghosts in it? But I don't know if you're placeboing me. I could just, I think if it had the three ghosts in it, I think I do remember. , I don't remember the commercial itself, but I got it pulled up.

 We're gonna try something new on Hold up. I'm gonna play the, the commercial from Pizza Hut.

And we're going to watch it and I'm going to see your reaction to it.   I remember this a lot from Casper growing up. We'll see if we can pull it up here.  We're gonna get a nice little ad. Yeah, we're gonna get a 30 second ad here. Is this on YouTube?  This is on YouTube. No, it's on Xvideos. 

Yeah, it's gotta be your parents. So, do you remember the hand puppets? Does anyone else? Maybe, I don't know. Maybe. We never eat, we didn't eat Pizza Hut a lot, so We didn't either, but I had two of the Hand Puppets. Cause I mean look, they're a dollar forty nine, so it's like. So that's what, four dollars in today's money?

They're twenty two, but they were, you would, you would put them on and like I,  I had Casper and Fats. Love his name, Stinko. So I had the uh, the hand puppets and they would glow in the dark and they were just kind of fun to have. I kind of used them more as a decoration in my room.

I didn't like put them on my hand and do stupid shit with them. What were they made out of? They were like, thick plastic.   Kind of like plastic, rubber. They were very strange. It was a strange, , giveaway, , and I don't know why Casper and Pizza Hut did this whole Yeah, why not?

Also, that pizza that you just showed me on that, on that looked, looked truly horrifying. Hey. Like, what a horrific, like, Halloween treat. Yeah, that was disgusting. That was the veggie lovers pizza. Shut the fuck up. I love veggie lovers. I love the way they say, when your parents order a pizza. Yeah, not you.

Yeah, , we know, you're too old, too young to order pizza, and then , you know there's like a 17 year old who's Collecting cash for memorabilia. And this is going to be worth so much one day.  He's got all  the hand puppets. Meanwhile, he died of radiation poisoning. From the hand puppets.    Now I want pizza. , before we dive in, Andrew.  Do you have some of those sweet, sweet mojo numbers? Oh, I've got them, baby. Are they very spooky this time of year?

, they're rotund.  They're, they're, they're impressive. Uh, hit us with it. Or do you want us to guess? I always like it when you guess. It's fun. So guess, guess the budget to start things off. Oh, it's gonna be a big budget. CGI, CGI, that set was really impressive. There was a lot of practical effects.

There's a lot of CGI. Back in the day, it would cost a So I'm going to go ahead and say budget for this one.  15 million.  So  I, um, I'm laughing. It's funny. It's funny. We talk about CGI and this, cause this movie actually used more CGI than Jurassic park. That attracts it was all in one minute and one scene, like the scene where they're in the kitchen, wasn't eating the food, the first movie ever where the titular character was created by CGI.

I'm pretty sure it was. That sounds right. I'm almost positive. I'm going to rescind that previous one, realizing now how much CGI is in that. I'm going to go ahead and say, I'm bumping up quite a bit to say 45 million. Okay, you're close. Yeah, I realized, I forgot how much CGI was in it until we just talked about it.

You were close. There is an entire scene where it is almost all CGI. , I'm going to say,  I'm going to say 42 million. So it's 55 million. Oof. Yeah. That's a, that's a pretty solid number for a family kids movie. Yeah, and based off a comic book character. , but there's a lot of cameos in this movie as well.

There are. Which I don't know if they're credited or not, I didn't look at the credits, but. So.  So, 55, like, what did it do domestically? So, it was released on May 26th, 95. Opening week was almost 17 million. So that's a good opening for a family film. Yeah.  Against that big budget though. Domestic, it was about 100 million and some change.

International, 187 million. So all together, like, almost 290 million total. Yeah. Very good. So really solid. Solid. Yeah. Yeah. Big, big hit.  They made back a lot and then there were marketing campaigns of course and you know it came from a comic book so there were other ends , to tackle but yeah.

 I think we have to mention the comic book even though None of us had any familiarity with that. I mean, I only found that out because I was just reading  the wikipedia page I had no idea that it was part of harvey comics, which yeah They had some bigger names as I was telling you richie rich and casper Yeah.

One of their two biggest names. That was like, I remember those comic books being popular to my grandfather. Yeah, they were from the 20s. The 20s, yeah. So, damn. So they were like,  beloved characters. Or 40s. But kind of. Excuse me. Whatever. 40s, 20s. What's the difference at this point? What's the difference who cares?

Beloved characters that were  lost on us as a generation. I understand why they were trying to bring this character to a new generation. Um, and I think that was their whole point. But yeah, old comic books based off that . And everyone's wondering why they didn't make a sequel. , they got caught up in some time frame issues after this movie was released. And they were trying to work on a script, and a budget, and all that, and in the meantime released two , direct to VHS, I guess at the time,  movies that bombed pretty hard, and that caused Universal to scrap two major sequels that they had planned for this movie.

I remember, I think, having the sequels on VHS back in the day. I don't remember them at all, but I remember having them, because how much I liked the original.  Let's look at to , to casper and 1995's Favorite ghost so we open up on , the manor right with staff Is that was the name of the manor? Yeah, what is that?  So we open up on the manor in this creepy night, , we see two idiot children trying to break into , the manor, trying to, I guess capture, get a picture, to prove to their friends.

But they went there. Yeah. , it's been boarded up and abandoned and  no one's going near it. It's not your typical creepy house on the hill  I remember  they're getting into  the manor itself and it's really well set design As Kyle mentioned earlier  these are actual set pieces and they built these they're massive I mean, these are very these are done in definitely in the studios and like they're big right and the manor that they get in so the big Area, which they will use later as the ballroom.

There's a fun fact here You They actually used it for the Backstreet Boys. Music video. Which one? Backstreet's back. That's okay. Yeah, I know. So the whole manner they reused a lot of the set pieces. Not exactly the same set piece order, Those set pieces for anybody that doesn't know are set in sections.

And they can reorganize the sections as need be to make bigger or smaller rooms for camera operators and things like that. So they, they shrank them down for the Backstreet Boys music video. So. Another beloved 90s. A little factoid there.  , Andrew? Who do these kids finally meet?

, they meet Casper, the friendly ghost. We meet our main character, like they  they just get that right out of the way early. He just kind of flies in, it's like, because this is just not a horror movie, it's a kids movie. So we want to get the character introduced, and he is very friendly. Very friendly.

Very friendly. Very nice. You would say he's a friendly ghost, wouldn't you? Yes. You could say that. His effigy, , his appearance , is the most huggable. Child like doll thing. There's nothing intimidating enough. If I were to see that I'd be like, you know, he's a little guy He's the definition of a child ghost  he's got like a very spunky  voice And he tells the kids, Hey, I'll grab your picture for ya.

Like, and he, Yeah, he does. And he does, and it freaks the kids out, Cause, he's a ghost. And the kids run away, He looks a little sad, Cause that's, like, all he wants is a friend. He's lonely. He's lonely.  They're, they're scared of this friendly little, ,  unassuming, happy little guy, losers, and they get the heck out of there.

 They scram real fast, and then we cut to, uh, One of my favorite scenes in this movie  Beginning, yeah, we get Carrigan, is that her name? Kerrigan Car  Carrigan Cece is what we'll call  Cece, her lawyer, Dibbs Dibs, who is a very famous Eric Ile. Yeah, very famous. Amani. Python. Python  Original. And he is spam AOTs.

He pretty much graded spam a lot he did with John Clea and De. , he is hilarious. Legend this movie too. He is, he do, yeah,  he has incredible comedic timing in this movie. And, and he also has just that legendary, , comedic voice too. Like Carrigan, like it's just, you just know it.

 We establish Kerrigan. She's this demon woman who's also   funny too, like, in this weird villainous way. Like Cruella DeVille.

Yeah.  I was going to say, she reminded me of like a Disney villain.  Definitely over the top, just a bad, just bad, no redeeming quality about her and nothing that she does in this movie, always yelling, yelling at all times. Yeah. And like, you just can't wait for her to die.

Yeah, and you know it's coming, and you just can't wait.  She's very loud, and  we get a scene where Kerrigan's trying to win Ben Stein's money. Where is that Ben Stein's money? It's her father's money?

Or her husband's money? Ben Stein is the  attorney in charge of doling out funds. But she doesn't seem to understand because he's saying  We have 13 million to the Dolphins fund. We have 1. 5 to the Pumas fund. Wasps of Patagonia fund. There you go. And, uh, so, wait, and Kerrigan's re like, getting the will, and was it her uncle?

I think so. Somebody related to her. She was in the will. And Dibs is her dumbass lawyer. Lawyer. Slash, like, weird friend. Maybe potential lover. She kisses him on the mouth once and that was weird. I think he wants to be a lover. He's a potential friend zone. She's manipulative towards him. Absolutely. She uses him.

So she's trying to see what her rich uncle has left her. And She finds out, oh, he's left me , that abandoned house on the hill that's falling apart. What's the word they use to describe it? Condemned. Condemned, yeah. , what do you say, unlivable? He goes, it was unlivable five years ago, now it's condemned.

It was lousy five years ago, now it's condemned. Which is just falling into the fucking sea or something,  she gets upset and She throws , the deeded to the house into the Oh. A burning fire in the fucking Yes. In the office. What an idiot. Like it's such a dumb fucking movie because that's the only bit of piece of paper that you have that would say that you own this piece of property.

Yeah. And  who has a burning fire in just an office like that? Yeah, like New York City and like. Early October. No one's doing that. Bitstein just leaves the room and he's just like, yeah, deal with it. And she's like trying to sue him for what? No, she says, she says, I'm going to sue you. All I get is , this piece of property.

I'm going to sue you. And he goes, Hey, go for it.  Like, I literally don't understand how this works. I'm not on the hook for anything. Have a bunch of fun with that. Don't give a fuck. See, he's like, I gotta do 36 more of these today. Can you fuck off? And so She throws the deed, and Div's just like, Ah, again, and he runs over and starts burning his hands. 

I think I need a doctor. He pulls the deed out and reads the back of it, and it's like a pirate It looked like there was some sort of invisible ink that was, , brought to the forefront by the heat or whatever. So, good thing she threw it in the fire. Yeah, and it talks about Great writing.  Lazy writing.

 There's treasure. There's treasure in the home. Yeah, well, they don't know for sure. They can read the word treasure, but the deed's completely burnt now. Like, I think, I think he starts hitting the deed and it just crumbles. So they don't even have the deed anymore. No. So, but she's like excited now because she thinks there's buried treasure in this abandoned, condemned, dilapidated,  Yeah  House on the hill basically So this sets up our plot of her going to the house and trying to find the treasure Yes, so in the meantime while she is Scurrying away.

We're introduced to the president the United States Bill Pullman  Second time we've seen mr. Pullman and this is actually I, I saw him in another movie like two days ago, so just, you know, full exposure. Um, yeah, good old Bill Pullman and I don't know, I don't know if you feel the same way, but I, I look at him as like this likable guy.

Like he's very likable. He seems like the neighborhood dad that's always just got high C and fluffernutters. It's like his dad was like Mr. Rogers or something like that. He's like his, his, his son. But secretly there's like three bodies in his basement. Oh, absolutely. They've been given Tom. , I don't get that vibe at all, but I'll let you, I'll let you run with it.

That's why you wouldn't survive in the real world, Andrew, and we would, because we would do, oh yeah, Andrew, you go play with him, have fun. . We never see Andrew again, we just see his skin being worn by this man. I'm not really surviving, I'm just existing at this point in my life. I, I can tell. I can tell.

 So we get introduced to Bill Pullman in a weird way so Kerrigan goes back to the house now and she's trying to remodel the house and trying to basically dig up the treasure and , 

 We now know multiple ghosts exist. So all the people are just running out screaming for their lives. And then we get the first scene that I remembered seeing as a kid. That I didn't remember until I watched it. But the fucking priest that comes in. Oh, that's so funny.

What accent did he have? I don't know, I think he was trying to do like an  Italian redneck.  It was definitely Italian, but also Was it Jersey? Was it New York? Was it like off the boat? No, it wasn't off the boat. No, there were some certain, there were some certain words that he used where it was definitely not of the Northeast region.

It was so fucking bizarre. But, but his dress, he was dressed like, uh, an ex, it was an exorcist called. Yeah. And he had on the biggest fucking cross. It was like flavor flame if he was a priest. Like this fucking giant cross. There was probably multiple callbacks and he was like, she was like, Can you take care of this? Ghost problem Miami's like piece of cake piece of crumb cake, and I was like wow what a weird thing to say  Funny though. I thought that was I did laugh at it Yeah, I actually did and then he walks in to try to like exercise these girls  and then walks back out you hear this   retching noise And he walks back out, he's got green puke all over him, and his head's turned all the way around.

 It's a direct reference to the Exorcist. Which he was dressed like that. Oh, yeah, that makes sense. He had the same dress as the Exorcist priest,  this is like maybe the first callback at this point.

The first callback. The first callback is actually Dracula's castle. Yes. Cause that's exactly it. Universal and the director like hold no punches on callbacks and they're shouting out and they're Easter egging and they're doing all this stuff to tie stuff in because at universal umbrella is massive.

It's huge. Yeah.  They're trying to essentially exorcise the house because there's a ghost in it. Because they saw Casper and they're like, oh shit, Casper's here. Fuck. Right. And everybody that goes in just gets terrified.  But who's the next person that goes in though, Andrew?

Right.  It's a big, it's a big, most giant movie franchise. Oh, it's uh, Dan Aykroyd. Comes out in Ghostbusters. Who are you gonna call? Not us, or something like that. Somebody else. Somebody else. And he like, he ran away real fast. So I'm like, I'm enjoying this at this point. Like all these callbacks. , they can't get the house exercised at this point.

No, long story short. Yeah, , she wanted to get it torn down and condemned. They can't, can't haunt a pile of rubble. Yeah. So they want to do it. The construction workers come in and they, this shit happens. , they all flee.

They're like, fuck this shit. We're out. So she, they're in a hotel room by they, it's uh, Crittenden and , Dibbs, in a hotel room.  Casper goes through the electrical wires, , in the electric grid and goes into that hotel room, moves, The TV that has, , Bill Pullman on it.

Um, and this is when we find out that he is a therapist to the living impaired.  Casper's whole thing is , he's intrigued because he wants to be able to talk to humans again and be able to communicate without them being scared. , Casper sees him in his, and he's got the eye for the guy's daughter.

, he became smitten with that right away. Casper sees all this and is like, this is a good segue for me to talk to humans again without them being scared, and them to meet this guy. So like, now they're converging here with the, with Bill Pullman in the middle. , long story short, Kerrigan calls him and he ends up taking the job with Christina Ricci, who ends up being his daughter,  in this movie, and you   find out that,  Bill Pullman's wife had died.

And all he's been doing this entire time is following this path so he can reconnect with her and it's,  torn him and his daughter's relationship apart. Because she's taken him, she's, he's taken her out of multiple schools and moved, what, like 10 different times. And it's a lot for him. ,  He promises her this'll be the last one.

And so she gets excited cause this is it. She, and then they make it to Maine. Friendship, Maine. Friendship, Maine. The colors are gorgeous. There's no friendship in Maine at all when they get there, either. No, everybody's a fucking prick. They arrive there, , beautiful, Weather looks great and in the atmosphere.

Mm-Hmm. . This is what I remember. This sets the atmosphere of Halloween.  Brown, orange leaves everywhere.  They're in the midst of Halloween, . There's pumpkins everywhere, decorations all over the place. Very sleepy ass town. 

, they get there and they start unpacking.  , she meets Casper pretty quickly and keep in mind, guys, we are 10 minutes. Maybe in this movie, a lot happens in the first 10, 15 minutes. So we've already got our two main characters meeting each other.

So they're in the house, Bill Pullman goes off somewhere to find a room. She goes and looks for a room. She first walks into. This house is massive. This house is bigger than the entire thing. There's probably like 82 rooms or something. I remember when I was a kid being like, wow, this is a weird house.

Looking at it now, I'm like, who the fuck made this house? What design?  This house was designed as a Civil War hospital probably. I don't even know. The maid was so out of the way though, I don't even know. This is like the Grand Masons decided to fuck everything they ever knew and then decided to make something akin to like Constantinople.

Exorcism plot of land. It's fucking weird. You have  15 different families living in this house. It's weird. It does, it really like But when you're a kid, obviously you don't really And it looks like, the atmosphere that you get from that house Is it's a haunted house? Yeah,  and they beat you up with that.

It's dracula's castle. It's frankenstein's lair. It's like all this in one Yeah, it's essentially a castle. It's not a house. It's a castle. Yeah, and  So they're finding rooms left and right and like and they're so calm about that being in there Even though he knows for a fact it's haunted and she knows too.

So and casper ends up creeping on her a little bit um  First she goes into the the first room that she goes into She sees the the names scratched on the bedpost for Stinky fatso and slim.  She walks out, she's like, mm, that's weird, and walks out, and goes into another room, and claims it as her own, and this is where she runs into our friend Casper.

The friendly ghost. Yeah. And so she sees Casper, freaks out. Flips out. I mean, she passes out, she literally passes out cold. Yeah, and then he goes over to the tap, and then like, I thought he got the water in his mouth, which it turns out he did, but he swallows the water and then wrings himself out. So essentially he just sweated on her to get her awake.

Yeah, the , physical nature of these ghosts was not consistent throughout this movie. Freaked me the fuck out when I was a kid.  That's what I was gonna, that was what I was gonna say, is , they do lose, , what ghosts can do and what they can't do in here, , the physics of this shit's all over the place.

You don't set any, like, world rules. As a kid, you don't really question it. Yeah, as a kid, you don't, but as an adult, I totally did. . One thing we should add, she doesn't believe in ghosts. She told her dad that multiple times. I don't, this is, you actually believe in this stuff and here she is face to face with the ghost.

 He was doubting himself too because I don't think he ever, he never ran into a ghost to like basically like lead him to his dead wife. She meets Casper, they're both like  freaking out, and he's  like warning them, don't, don't wake up, don't wake up my uncles, don't wake up my uncles, and then it's too late.

Which sounds just, oh so terrifying. Or,  , I think it was they were gone, and he's like don't, you know my uncles will be back any moment, and then they come back, and it's.  They noticed the human and then just, it's an all out fight from then. And that's when Bill Pullman is like running around.

He's like, he hides Christina Ricci in a closet as these three.  They're just,  they're the most hateable, like, as soon as, like, when I was watching these as an adult, I was just like, I can't wait till they die. Like, I, I fucking hate these. And they're already dead, folks. Like, they're, they're just the most despicable, like, what, so it's just, They're spiteful and just, It's fat so stinky and slim.

Slim. Or stretch. Stretch. Yeah. Not slim. My bad. And they all, they talk like they're from New York and they just fucking  disgusting. Yeah. Yeah. And they, they treat Casper like fucking shit, garbage.   I really  loathed them as a kid and watching as an adult. Like, I didn't know what they were trying to go for with these characters, but I fucking hated them.

 They're like Kerrigan, there is no redeemable quality to them. None at all. And, At least at this point. Now they're in like this all out like war with Bill Pullman  these ghosts teeter between being homicidal and comical to a point where like this whole scene I can see where it worked out for a kid's movie.

But like, if you graduate to like adult thinking, you're like, well, there was almost manslaughter. No, no, no, it was just almost straight up just premeditated murder, premeditated murder that happens. Well, I mean, they twisted a priest's neck around him. But he's still alive, though, Chase. , they have these swords, and like, they just get swords.

They conjure swords, and all of a sudden you're like, well, well, shit, he's about to get fucking cut up. And it's, oh, it's comedy now. And then they all impale the swords into a door, where Bill Pullman's on the other side. And then he opens up the door, and with a plunger. And then they're like, well, now the real battle begins.

I'm gonna use an umbrella, and a stick, and a walking cane. I'm like, What you could have just fucking you could have decapitated him like three seconds ago Yeah, if you want to warn his face if you wanted him dead you could have had him dead So I think it fly through walls, but then I punch them    But they don't when he's behind the door There's semi permeable pieces of what they want to be when they want to be plasma Yeah, who the fuck even knows so like that whole thing just pissed me off I just I didn't really agree and then he sucked them into a vacuum.

Yeah, and they couldn't escape  that until they did Well a ghostbuster set that that quality. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, we we have to go back to ghost bus or something,  which I'm sure most of the money was spent on scenes like that. Yeah. And that whole scene's like five minutes long.

It's a long scene. It's just an all out fight.  Okay, so you said it would take long. There was one scene between Casper and, I know we're, I'm deviating, but between Casper and Kat that took eight months to create because of all the CGI and how intricate it was. So imagine that fight scene with Bill Pullman took a fucking long time too.

 Behind the scenes things, it was, they use tennis balls to mark, which is better than what Marvel's doing now,  so there's at least that, but I can only imagine how intricate that CGI scene was, um, especially during the time.

Yeah, when they didn't have green screen. It was in, it was probably 94. Maybe it was like 93. No, they probably filmed that in 93. Super impressive. Um, and then there's a scene where Bill Pullman gets into the bathroom and like shuts the door and he's like freaking out a little bit.  The ghost went into his mouth all three of them. Yeah, which And then  He looked in the mirror and then he saw the three faces. Do you remember the faces? Yeah,  they basically get in his mouth possessive and it's all poltergeist at this point Except it's a it's a g rated poltergeist because in that movie the guy Yes,  claws his face off.

 That point you see , what is it? It's Rodney Dangerfield, Mel Gibson, Mel Gibson. And, and you know, there was a fourth one. It was supposed to be Steven Spielberg. It was supposed to be Steven Spielberg. That's hilarious. Well, it was made, this was produced by Steven Spielberg and Universal.

Yep. So the Spielberg was, he wanted to make this into a movie. He was very drawn to the idea of Jasper. , I know that they cut that for time, but they already spent the budget on it. And it was a very expensive deleted scene. When Steven Spielberg, cause he, he still got the money. Cause that, there's a scene somewhere, there's a deleted scene where Steven Spielberg's in that mirror, , there goes some of that budget right there. Yep. There goes a couple million of that budget. Yeah, right there in that one  ten second laugh . But I thought it was a clever, I thought it was clever.

I liked it. But like, yeah, it wasn't like, you know, anything. I didn't roll my eyes. I wasn't like, oh, that's fucking lame. , we move on from there the chase eventually dies down and they go to bed, but I don't remember what. Yeah. Everything's kind of simmers.

, they go to sleep. They wake up in the morning. Casper makes breakfast. For cat and like there's that whole scene with them And he has these contraptions to make breakfast makes them this really beautiful breakfast Then that the ghosts the three uncles come out. Why are you making breakfast for them?

But for us now everybody is my meal. Yeah,  maybe not like nice to each other, but they're cordial They're having conversations with each other and they're actually other and which is very I was like zero to 60 here and really zero Again, please 180 turn And then, so, and then in this scene, , the ghosts are eating and their food's just dumping on the floor.

Which was disgusting. Oh, it was disgusting. Also, Vile. What is with 90's movies and making this shit so disgusting?  The adult brain was like, why are you trying to make ghosts eat?  What's the point?  When you're a kid, you don't think much on it, but and then Casper's cleaning it up.  When I was watching this, I was like, we don't really need that. And there's no exposition going on here. They're just kind of bickering a little bit.

And then.  Bill Pullman pulls the shade for the light to come in. That's what it was. And then they pretend to melt. And I was like, what were you thinking? These are ghosts, not vampires, you idiot. But that's the thing though. , they have, in between all of these, they, they fuck up their shit. Because they conflate ghosts with vampires and I'm like, what the fu Like, at one point he's like, what does he have that I don't have?

Like, a flesh? And she goes, well, let's start with a reflection. I'm like, so is he gonna suck her blood and turn her into , a vampire's wight? Like, what the fuck is that? But again, as a kid, you're not really No, you don't think about any of that, but again, we're, we're referencing it now as adults. Like this is, that's what this podcast is made on.

We're going with an adult brain now. It is an adult brain. It's unraveling pretty quickly. Yes, we should.  We should point this out. And then.  She, , ends up just going, Okay, well everything's fine. And she goes to school, and Casper follows her. Bill Bowman's like, okay, He makes a deal with the three uncles, , I'll get this bitch off your back. 

In exchange, you help me find my wife. Cause they find out, he, I think, I don't know how they found out, I can't remember, it doesn't matter. He starts talking to him. He just starts, literally, Can you, can you communicate with others? I must have checked out there. But he, um, I don't know.  They end up finding out his wife is dead.

You can tell that they're doing something devious, but they're like, we'll help you talk to her. They even make a joke, like Fatso pretends to be his wife at one point. He gets dressed up in like a red dress and puts like lipstick and a blonde. It's a Marilyn Monroe reference. Exactly.  So he dresses up like his wife, makes fun of him, just to make fun of him. It's cringe, cringe scene now.

And then Bill's like, oh, you guys, we'll get to the bottom of this later. So from going from murdering to like, oh, now we're just a bunch of rag tag friends right now. That aren't really friends. They're kind of sociopaths. Yeah, they're all sociopaths. So that's Cristina Ricci goes to school, and probably the worst school in the entire country.

 They get into this classroom, and the teacher immediately is like, Couple announcements for you guys, , they're, asbestos removal in the gym is taking longer than expected, So we're gonna have to move the Halloween out, bye.  That was funny to me, because, We literally had to redo our school church basement because of asbestos when I was in the like second and third grade.

That was a big thing in the 90s. Yes! When that stuff started coming out. It happened everywhere! But I do love them taking a shot there. That, that was for the adults that had to go with their, their kids to that maybe. But like this, this fucking teacher's like, He's like, so it's gonna get moved back in this the the fucking chotch bitch  she gets up out of her fucking. I wanted her to die right away. Immediately. I was like, put her with the uncles like just. Just fucking push her out in traffic, get rid of her. She's gonna drown her in the ocean, I mean, something. .  So And then her, her boyfriend, Vic, or whatever.

Yeah, yeah, fucking idiot. Who tries to, you know, swindle cats and get on her good side. This kid just pops up in class and goes, Well, my parents have the boathouse finished, so we'll just have it there. And the teacher goes, Yeah, okay. Like, what the fuck is, so she just makes this, is this, is this one classroom in the entire school?

Yeah. What the fuck, what's happening here? And it's a big school when they show it from, like, the outside, so it's like, I was like, you don't have permission to just alter up, like, anyone's home, you dumb fuck. This is how I know I'm getting older, because I'm like, that, that's tripping me up. , what is this teacher doing?

I don't trust this fucking teacher. Yeah, he's not even a teacher. He just broke in   90s hollywood  That's exact but it was crazy because and then the next thing I know is like then Christina Ricci is like getting made fun of and the teacher sees that he's like, why don't you get up in front of class?

How does he introduce her? He he says her name. He says her last name first Harvey Harvey Harvey Kathleen or so Harvey catch or something like that or Harvey Kathleen and then everyone's like  He said her last name first.  Why would you, why would you introduce like a 12 year old like that? Just say the name.

Or just be like, it goes back to our point. This guy's not a real teacher. No, he's not. He just broke in to teach these children. And no, no one knows what he's going to do with them.  Then she's like, everyone's making fun of her until she says, Oh, I live in the I live in the dilapidated, condemned manor on the hill that everyone's scared to go to, and they're like, You live there?

And one of the kids in the back's like, Excuse me, Mr. Whatever I don't know your last name cause you're just new here today. He's like, What if we had the Halloween dance? At her place. And then Miss Little Bitch is like, But I said we wanted to have it at the boat house. And they're like, no one cares about your boat house.

And the teacher was like, we didn't vote on that, you bitch. But he also just acquiesces and says, Yeah, we're gonna have the party there.  He offers a vote. So he's like, at least trying to be like, They didn't even, they didn't even ask Cat though. And they kind of did, but not really.

And he was just like, alright, we're gonna have him do the Haulin Edge. And we're gonna have it there. That part doesn't fucking hold up. It pisses me off. That would never hold up anywhere. That didn't even probably hold up at that time. Maybe in the 50s and prior. My dad, I just remember having to beg my dad permission to have a friend over on a Saturday night.

Much less like, have like a fucking Halloween dance in our living room. No, no, that wasn't gonna happen.  So maybe we find out a lot about the school there, and they're all a bunch of fucking pricks, and they just want to use cats.  Mansion as a Halloween party. Uh, so that's that's so that's what we find out there, but Casper ties all their fucking shoes together He fucked, he stalks her there and then ties all their fucking shoes together.

I appreciate that. So they stand up, they uh, they all fall, I thought that was fucking awesome. Casper's also stalking this girl too, which is another point.

He's obsessed. He's obsessed. It's getting weird. It's getting weird as the movie goes along. It's not a friendship anymore. Nothing really happens at this point. So,  .  And in the meantime, Bill Pullman's like tied up with the three fucking evil uncles trying to figure out, yeah, they're going through it.  The next thing I remember, at this point, is I do remember Christina Ricci's character  getting taken to the basement. 

The haunted mansion style. Yes. And, and which is again, another call, which universal calling to Disney is always a mindfuck where they know where they stand. I mean, we, we, we love universal, but like, you know,  especially, yeah.  It's weird for them to like, shine on each other though.

They usually shit on each other, but they shine on each other. Here's a haunted mansion style ride. Christina Ricci goes all the way down into this basement and that's where she finds out that Casper's dad was an inventor and Casper was telling the story.  I guess they, she found his room first? She found his room first because she took, he took her out to like , the lighthouse. The lighthouse. And they had the view or whatever. And then they stumbled upon the room with all the toys.  Before that she was asking Casper like, what's your past? He's like, I don't really remember anything. Oh, yeah, I do remember. Because, because he's like, I don't remember. I can't recall anything.

She was, she was like, does my mom remember me? And then she shows him the sled. Yes. And then immediately his entire existence is remembered. Mm-Hmm. his dad, what his dad wore the times his dad beat him with his. Stick. So like Casper, he liked those times though. And Casper remembered everything. And then that's when he remembers to take her down into the basement, show him like here his dad's lab.

, Casper, had died in this,  died of pneumonia. He got sick, he got the sled to go out in snow. And then he got, he got pneumonia and died it as like a 12-year-old wait boy. Oh yeah.  His dad then Died trying to invent a formula to bring the dead back to life all which is raking style Yes, so like mary shelley going on, but we should also add that while they are all doing this.

We've got crittenden and Eric idol whatever dibs following them around like eavesdropping and like trying to just like figure out what's going on Yeah, because they want to find this treasure And so they take it face value with the ghost in like 12 year old girl are talking about in regards to this, you know, device that brings people back from the dead and they go gung ho for it.

And they're trying to get into like, well, they're doing that. , then they figure out like there's that special juice that they put in this little contraption that the dad made. And if you get into the contraption and you turn the juice bottle or the bottle of red liquid and it vaporizes in this chamber that they put them in this fucking iron lung, they put them in.

 You turn the dead back to life and they try to do this, but, uh, to Casper, to bring Casper back so they can fuck. , but they don't wind up doing that because, because Crittenden goes and kills herself. She, she essentially just, well, that, well, no, because dibs takes the vial. There's only one of these.

Dibs takes the vial. Cause Casper's dad is dead, D E D, D E D dead. And so they, so they find out that like. Oh, this, this, we can bring somebody back to life, that's how we can get the treasure out of the safe. One of us dies, we'll just bring you back when you're done. You can go in there as a ghost, get it from the inside, and come back out so you can go through walls.

Therefore go through the safe. So she's trying to kill, Crittenden's trying to kill Diz. I will say this is one of my favorites. It's very well done. Because they, they turn the, the bad guys on each other cause then she just instantly tries to kill him. She's like, you're going to be the one to die, go through the sink, give me the shit and then I'll possibly bring you back.

And then does, and then we all know that that's not going to happen. And they don't even know how this machine works at all. No. Wow.  But they're all arrogant enough to think that, they're all arrogant enough to think that they could get through it. Dibs is like, well, hold on, let's, let's talk about it. And she's like, no, I think it's time for you to die.

So, they're chasing each other around. She tries to run him over in her expensive Range Rover. And, uh, she, she hits a tree. What we think, it's a very clever done scene. ,  Drives it through the woods, missing him, goes through the woods and hits a tree. A giant tree. A giant tree. Right on the edge of this you're watching this scene, you're thinking she's going to shoot.

Cause you know what's about to happen. , as an adult, we know what's going to happen. And you think she's going to go through the windshield? Yeah, no, when she goes, oh, everything's, I just, the lights stop, and the airbag stops. Even though I don't have a, Seatbelt on. Oh, I guess I'll just get out of the fucking car.

And then there's no nothing underneath. She falls to her death. She falls to her fucking death. You know what this reminds me of and it's very off topic, but I have to share because it's you all. What? In Instagram videos of people playing GTA 5 and they're like on top of a building in a car And they have like the prostitute with them and they park it so that you know when the prostitute opens to leave She just falls off to her death.

It's the same shit here. Kids these days and their imagination. I know. So she's dead at this point. She is long gone. And the kids movie Plummets to her death like probably almost a thousand feet. Yeah, at least. 

Dibs is like, well, all right time to go Let's go and then and so he like He starts walking away and , she shows up as this nasty ass, screechy ghost and It was a good cartoon they put together, I thought. It was really well done at that point and then I'm forgetful where we go next.

Bill Pullman is off with these ghosts doing karaoke while like, plastered drunk. At a bar where there's people. Yeah, but they they did kind of a gremlins thing here because the bar is like messed up Everything's torn up and there's one bartender and he's like hovering under his like chair.

 Bill Pullman's like trash. Yeah, he's trash, and he's talking about how much he, like, likes them, and yadda, yadda, yadda. Meanwhile, while he's back his turn and he's rambling about how much progress they've made and whatnot, they all pull out weapons, like they're gonna fucking kill him.

Not just any weapons, like a shotgun. Shotgun. Shotgun. Like a spear or something. Spear, what did the other one have? I don't know. It doesn't matter. It was brutal. It was at like an absolutely like grim, grim way to go in the middle of like a dimly lit karaoke bar or like a dive bar. And the reasons they were like, we'll be more powerful with four is I think was their reasoning.

Right. And so like, and they keep trying to kill him and he wins them over though. Right. He wins them over. , which is weird because all he says is something like, I've never, he's like, I just think you guys have like, you guys, I just think if you like going out with the boys, like, I love you.

And he's kisses them all in the mouth. And then they're like, What a sweetheart! Uaah! Aaaaah! And they start crying and they drop the Like one of them throws the shotgun and it explodes. Yeah, it explodes. Yep. And it And it shoots and it almost kills the man who's sleeping behind them, It's just fucking hilarious.

And then, Bill Pullman starts bagging, opens up the door, He's like, Let's go out! Was this the entrance of the bar? I was confused!  Like it says caution or something right there and you know you shouldn't walk there.

And the ghosts are like, hey, hey, hey, don't, don't, don't do that, stop, stop, stop, stop, but they don't really give much of an effort, it's just, it's half assed and he's like, He falls in this manhole, and guess what? He fucking dies. He fucking dies. He fucking eats it, then dies,

he's dead. He's out of the scene right now. And at that point, we go back to the mansion? Is that where we head to? Yeah, yeah, we go back to the mansion and you got Kerrigan's ghost flying around. I think she tries to get into like the little Humanize. Her machine wants to, , and But why does she want to do it though?

Because she wants to go back to her human life and have the treasure. Yeah, but she, yeah. , she went in, she went into the, into the chin. The vault. In the vault, grabs the treasure out. And , now  Kat And what's his face? Casper. Fucking Casper.

Fucking idiot. . So, so Kat and Casper, .  Cat spur is now going to trick her into killing herself. Or just like ending her after life. Yes. Because  they ask her a series of questions like, , why do you have, why do you have this? So what, what's the, what, what does this mean?

You can't do this.  What else do you need? I don't need anything else. I have everything. Everything's perfect. I cleanse come together. And then at that point, light starts bursting from her chest. And then we come to find out that her. Her time , has come because she has finished all of her business.

Because remember in this world, spirits are just, , Souls that have unfinished business. Yeah, and they and he makes mention of that multiple times  dr Harvey says like oh, yeah spirits are just traveling this world just looking for something to do.  Then  once they finished all  their little tasks, they're gone And Casper has one upped Kerrigan. 

They out chested her. She was kind of a dumb broad. She was fucking stupid. She was an idiot. Before she went away, she fucking yeeted Dibs out that window. She did. She killed him before she went away. She fucking kicked him through the window. He went hundreds of yards. 

 As she's bursting like the vial of like human serum whatever we're calling the red syrup Yeah, the red syrup red syrup. I think they have that at waffle house now. They do that's like a limited time They better have it there. I'm not going back it flew in the air and I, was it Christina Ricci's character that caught it?

Yeah, she, it was a really dramatic, , little segment they had there. You thought I was going to hit the ground and everything slowed down and then she just leapt for it and beautifully caught it in her hands. It's fine. It's perfect. And as she's doing that, the  treasure chest, . Hits the ground, pops the lock, pops off, and it's a fuckin like, baseball glove, it's a baseball glove, and a baseball, signed by, some Dodger, Jackie Robinson, no, shut the fuck up, it's not, it was some made up Brooklyn Dodgers player, might as well just be like, Tom Schnoe, or something like that, some idiot, it was like Bucky Rogers, actually it wasn't Bucky Rogers, that's fuckin Captain America, get out of here, we're not doing anything with Marvel, so shut the fuck up, it was kinda funny though, cause like, at that point, cause Casper runs over , To the treasure chest.

And obviously it's something his dad kept as a treasure to him from his passing son. So yeah, womp womp. Yeah, there you go. Sad. Obviously they didn't know but it's just it's  hilarious that they were fighting over like a baseball glove I think it's hilarious that she killed somebody to get it and she killed herself to get it And I think that's fucking hilarious that she's also dead now because of her greed And there's nothing funnier than somebody that gets what's coming to him  greed kills and I think that's a fun way for those characters lives to end.

 I want to make a correction. It wasn't, , a made up person. It was Duke Snyder. Duke Snyder. Who I'm pretty sure is in the Baseball Hall of Fame. Is he really? Yeah. Man. He was 11th ballot, 1980. Duke Snyder. Damn. Real dude. So he signed Casper's baseball. Wow. Definitely happened for real for him. Nice little, nice little reference there.

 Essentially, and at this point, we  Who enters the scene But the three ghosts Three ghosts and dead Bill Pullman. Dead dad. Dead dad. Womp womp. After he fell down that manhole like a dumbass.

Just like an idiot. Just like, just nonchalant fall. I sat there for like five minutes to when he came back, which it was cool to see Bill Pullman as a ghost. But after that, I sat there for five minutes trying to figure out the whole situation with the manhole, because that was blocking the entire entrance to the bar.

How did they get in? Yeah. Why? And why didn't they just close the bar? Or it was, did he go to the back? Or like, I'm still so confused by that whole, and he was drunk as shit and , he walked backwards into it. He didn't walk headfirst. He backed up into it, now we know, okay, he's definitely dead. . And, Cat has this whole moment, Oh, gee, my dad's dead.

Dad, do you remember me? Oh, he doesn't remember. He doesn't remember. And then they did a little pinky shake. And then he's like, Oh, what have I done? Cat! I remember.  And , instead of Casper getting to become a real person, we now have to correct this , stupid father falling down a hole because he was a drunkard.

 I want to correct that. It really wasn't like, they were making you feel like he's made this giant mistake. And honestly, it seemed like he hadn't gotten drunk since college. So he was just having , a good, yeah, he was just letting loose, having a good night. And it was actually the bar's fault , and Kat should have let him just  stay dead.

She could have had a massive lawsuit and lived like, easily sued them. She could have, and then she could have had a boyfriend for a couple years. Yeah, and then maybe a husband. No, no, just boyfriend for a couple years. Who would have peered out? Casper wanted to keep her. No, Casper is probably closeted. So,  you know, yeah.

 I think Casper is a sexual Casper is a sex. So behind that, yeah, not close. So he just like, he, he's, he wants, he loves her. And Casper's a good boy. Good dude. He's a good guy. Because, again, he, instead of making himself a real person for forever, He gave that red syrup to Bill. , sacrificed himself coming back to life, so Mr.

Harvey can have his life again, even though he threw it away in a manhole cover. And then meanwhile, all of this shit is happening,  Kat's, , classmates are in, , the great hall and, like, the living room. Yeah, she runs downstairs with the doorbell rings. She's got this massive dilemma from future , two year boyfriend and dad, which one she wants to come back.

 The doorbell rings. Rings and she's , I'll be with you in one second. I just have to get my dad back to life. He's dead And then once he opens the door the teacher is like front and center Fake teacher we've established that he's definitely a fake teacher at this point. We just I don't appreciate him He weirds me the fuck out.

He's like texting students being like, what are you guys doing this weekend? Yeah, does anybody need beer? Like I got some hash I got a driveway full of hash Yeah, jill likes marty's Um,  so they start the party, weirdly enough, a non decorated Halloween party because she didn't decorate them, but I guess she didn't have to either.

no, but I'm glad you brought that up because I did, when we watched it, there was,  all of a sudden it was decorated. Like there was just like, oh now there's a chandelier of, of plastic light bulbs and shit that's out now. I don't need that kind of stress in this movie. I don't need to know who picked that, like, did they just put it up?

Because they're like, well, I guess we'll just put it up in this giant 40 yard foyer that's out here. You know , the fake teacher brought all that stuff in , like a Walgreens bag. He, he set all that up with cats. Cat's like, my dad's dead. It's Dwayne Reed up there. No, yeah, I'm so sorry. So we're trying to get through, like, there's a whole bunch of things happening, , and basically Bill Pullman comes back to life, Casper doesn't, they all go on and Casper's like, I guess you gotta get back to your date. 

Shoe kick in the gravel. , he's just, he's so distraught. And why wouldn't you be? , because you had to clean up somebody's mistake who was abusing substances, but I digress.  Essentially we're getting to the point now where we're wrapping things up, but just when you think the movie's over. 

, who comes back down at an,  in a , beautiful red dress, but Bill Pullman's wife. Oh yeah. Her wife was dead. Dr. Harvey's wife. Dr. Harvey's from, , Ghostbusters. She did. At the same time. She really did. Casper's back in his little toy room. He's underneath the train set. Pouting. Sunlight just like pours into the tracks and you look up and you see this floating woman in a red dress.

He's just ascending down from. Happened. That doesn't really exist in this movie, in this movie the other time. Um, I don't, I don't know where she was coming from. Yeah, it is very unclear. But she comes down ethereal around.  , she like died and went to the board of trustees for the,  or something She did.

, so she comes down and then has a one-on-one with Casper. Like, Hey. , good job for giving , that juice, the only one left, that vial to, , the guy that killed himself by accident. , so, now you get to be alive for two hours.

And he goes, why can't, Cinderella got till midnight. Well Cinderella wasn't twelve years old. Like, oh, thanks so  much. That'll be a huge solace for me while I go down and , soft hug, and  hump this lady. Thanks for keeping this boy ghost's bedtime in check.  Because I'll forever stay a fucking little boy, and I'll never be able to grow up from here.

So I guess I'll just live this life for forever. That's the craziest part to me, is he does this like, very noble thing and sacrifices his life again. And all he gets is like, 30 bucks. 90 minutes! Take it or leave it, bitch! He actually gets a conjugal visit. , just go out and have a bunch of fun. He gets to like, slow dance.

For, , what seemed like a one print song.  I think it was more like 5 minutes? Yeah. In this movie? Maybe 15. Maybe 15? So Casper goes down the stairs, , and Christina Ricci is like, Been shown up by the other guy that been like,  it's not even a plot point, even worth hitting at this point, so Vic, yeah.

And so she's all bummed out at the party cause now she doesn't have a date anymore. Casper's there for five minutes. She doesn't really know it's him. She just sees this  stereotypical Jonathan Taylor Thomas looking nineties boy, blonde,  like curtain hair, ,  comes downstairs. And he just automatically starts dancing with her.

And she doesn't know who he is at this point until he says the line. Can I keep you? Blech. Blech. Just like that. Just like soft and breathy. And I'm gonna ask you guys a piece of trivia. Do you know where that line came from?  Yes, actually. I do. Do you? , at the time, J. J. Abrams was a writing intern for Universal.

And he was given that line. Bravo, Andrew. I'm gonna give you some applause. Yeah, J. J. Abrams wrote that line.  He went uncredited for it. I think a lot of people don't know this, but  when they write scripts, you'll have your two main writers or three, however many main writers you have, usually it's  two, three, and then. 

Ooh, they'll sell it to a company such as universal production company, and then they'll take ghost riders.  No pun intended here. And they'll punch up the script is what they call it. So they'll bring the writers in. He was one of those. Yeah. And they don't pay those writers.  Just making little small adjustments to the script or like the spec script. It depends on how big the budget the movie is and how big the movie is in the studio. I don't think he deserved to get paid for that line personally.  I don't like that line. I think you could have done a little better.  Made my skin crawl. It's a little weird. Even if it came from a 12 year old to another like 12 year old. That's the scariest part of this movie is a ghost, as a ghost reincarnated as a boy saying, can I keep you?

. Abrams there. Anyway. , they start kissing at that point because it wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't kissing, it was just a little peck.

Yeah. I don't even remember a peck, I think they just got cheek to cheek. And they started levitating. The ones on your face, not the other ones. No, they definitely, they definitely kissed, but it wasn't like a make out sesh, it was like a long embrace. And while they were embracing They started levitating off the ground.

Like Criss Angel and Mind Freak. And all the students and the fake teacher were standing there with their jaws dropped like, Holy shit, I can't believe what I'm seeing. And this house that we purportedly is haunted, we can't believe what we're seeing right now. , we should talk about this because it is happening prior.

, Dr. Bill Pullman's up on the , the staircase at the top. And while all this is happening, who comes and visits him? Oh, his wife, yeah. Yeah, we can't forget this! And she, and the, they, his wife does say, yeah, they kept their promise. The three sleazebag ghosts kept their promise. 

It was lame.  , 

casper, downstairs, turns back into a ghost. Everybody freaks the fuck out. They go and ass over tea kettle. They stampede the fuck out of there. And then, that's essentially the movie because we get the three movies. Sleazebag ghosts come out and they start singing Casper, the friendly ghost, the friendliest ghost you know  And then that's that.

That was great. That was really good. That was better than the actual song.  It was better than those fuckers. Those six started having their own Halloween Santa party. Casper, Kat, Bill Pullman, and the three assholes. Who are now a band.

Dress like prince. Yep. Yeah, just something annoying. It's just  So inconsistent those three just really annoying and then it just kind of ends like a fart in the wind, right? like I mean like if again, we have to look at this  as adults and if we're looking at it as an adult Yeah, it's a it's a wet fart to end things off.

It's not even exciting as that It's just kind of like it's fine. You can't even hear the fart, but you smell it and it's just kind of like a pithy but like for an ending for a movie for a kid What a great spot. Your five year old self's not going to quit. And it wrapped it up pretty quickly, I guess, for a kid's attention span.

What I, because I was digging the whole, , Kerrigan into a ghost, her fight with Dibs, and then even Bill Pullman in the bar becoming a ghost, and like that whole scene, and then it just, all that wraps up and you still got  ten more minutes of just Yeah, it didn't need to be that. , we could've, we really could've shortened a lot of that up.

 It seems like a lot got cut out of this movie. It seems like they cobbled things together and it was only an hour and 40. So they really,  it could have been an hour and 30. 

An hour and 40 is a long, it's a long, it's a long kids movie. It's a long attention span, but again, a lot of this stuff was like we talked about a lot of this stuff. Is.  The new technology they were showcasing and we have to showcase this with long scenes that we have that took for I'm sure forever to shoot ,  and that's it. , that's Casper. That's Casper. And the friendly ghost.

 Well, Kyle, let's, let's start with you. overall, do you feel like it holds up?

Yeah.  As a baseline, of course it does. , it's a very prolific movie for its time and you have, you always have to take that into consideration. And we're going to be talking about this a lot when we talk about horror movies, because some horror movies. Some people would say, do not hoe up.

This is not a horror movie, but it is for a kid. It's got some darker elements to it. There's a, it's a little dark side. It deals with loss, it does deal with loss. It deals with like a heavy tone with loss with love. We can't look at this , and look at it too much through an adult lens because that's not who it was made for.

Right. And we, but like we do have to tear it apart like we do. It is job. It is our job. So I do say it definitely held up. , a bad movie? No. Good movie? No. , and I think for kids, I think this is a great movie to, or a great way to broach the subject of loss, of afterlife, of like you said, Andrew, , of love and what that actually is.

And I think it helps that this was written , by women.  Essentially. Two, one man, two women.  The man's perspective doesn't come into this, there's no hyper sexualization of anybody, , and it's, I'm sure the creepy teacher was written by the man. Probably. And hopefully.

 I think the perspective , really helps and lends itself to being like,   they don't talk about religion at all, which I think  that's a hard thing to do , with this kind of stuff. I mean, a lot of the horror movies that we all love, religion is a front and center of it. And I think this is an accessible movie to a lot of different people. 

 And it's something you can show your kids and not have to worry about, .  Some deeper questions and in horror in general like religion is always going to be front and center because What's scarier than dying because we all have to do it at some point or another it's a fear That is deep rooted in the human construct and this made dying And religion is one of those things that makes dying acceptable for a lot of people , it's like the what happens to your soul after you die in this movie. If you have unfinished business, then you do this, but it doesn't, again, . If we really start to pick it apart with our adult brains, it starts to unravel very quickly. There's no point. That's my point. So like, you have to just kind of leave it where it's at with this one.

. What about you, Chase?   I agree.  I look at these movies that we see as children, especially it was like, can I show this to my kid now? And we don't have a kid right now, Chase, so shut up.

You're lying to our audience. My metaphorical kid,  my invisible non existent kid,   if I showed this movie to them, would they enjoy it? Does it stand up with their generation more or less, you know?

Cause like a lot of these kids movies we watch, they're   trapped in the nineties. It's like a relic, you know, like where we show them and we're like, Oh God, it's like a different world and a different environment, different things. I think this one does a better job than most of not sticking to a timeline  and it felt in the atmosphere is really good. I think I mentioned it earlier. It's one of those things where you put it on and it feels like Halloween.   I think it holds up I I really do. And  , it's flawed, but I think it is a fun watch.  If you go in thinking, Oh, I'm going to watch a classic from my past, again, we talked about it,  just listen to here. If you go back and just go, oh, that movie was so great when I was a kid, that blah, blah, blah, blah, and you go in, you will be disappointed.

Go in with low expectations. I'm watching a kid's movie. If you're out there, if you have children, it's a good one to dust off and say, hey, this is a movie I watched during Halloween when I was a kid. And I think it's perfect for that. It's not too scary. It's just right in the middle. It's,  it's very kid friendly and it does a good job as a kid's movie.

, I think it holds up. Andrew.  It definitely holds up. It's one of those that, , it's not going to Make you feel, , super enlightened. You're not going to walk away from this and be like, wow, what a great film.

I know something different now, but it has a time and a place. That's one of those you can put on the shelf and pull back out at the right time and it will absolutely fit what you need it to be. It's great , for kids. It's one, like you both, you said , you have kids. You want to show them a quote, scary ish movie when they're young.

This is.  In a nutshell, , this movie perfectly encapsulates what we want to do with this podcast and one of those movies that you've  forgotten about, but you don't really remember because I went into this, not remembering anything and even watching it, I was like, I, this isn't like really ringing a bell.

There's a few scenes, a few lines, I was like,  trips the memory. But, , for something that was such a prevalent part of my childhood, I had  completely forgotten about it. We pulled this off and it, ,  I didn't feel upset when I was done watching. I wasn't mad. I didn't feel like it was a waste of time.

And I knew that later on down the line,  it would fill its role again. So yeah, it holds up.  If you had to put an IMDB stamp on it, what would you give it? , 6. 8, I think is , a fair, a little higher than fair because I think that there's a lot of,  there's a lot that could have been done to make it funnier.

It wasn't as funny as I wanted the kids movie to be from an adult standpoint.  Correct me if I'm wrong, Andrew, but I didn't see any, I didn't see any or hear any comedy of threes.

I didn't hear any, like one time, two time, three time. There wasn't a lot of slapstick. Now the slapstick that was there was just  ridiculous. And I'm talking mostly about the scene with the three ghosts and Bill Pullman in the beginning when they scare him I just. I wish that there was a more clever comedic writing in there, I don't know how to fix that right away. , but there were some funny parts, but it was mostly character acting. . Well, Andrew, from your kid's brain, what would you give it IMDB wise? 6. 3? 6. 3? Yeah. That's pretty solid.  I'm right there with you. I'm thinking 6. 1. I think I struggled so much with the ghost rules and trying to figure out what kind 6. 

That I was like, even for a kid, I think, , a kid that's old enough is gonna be like, what the hell's going on here? I mean there's a stark difference between low sixes and like a 6'7 or 6'8, so I feel like 6'1, 6'3 is more than fair. Yeah, it's definitely a passing grade. Yeah, yeah, definitely.

Like I, in 6. 1 for me, it's like, Oh, that's, that was fun. That was fun to go down. I'm not going to probably do that one again. Probably not. But , if I did have to, it's not the end of the world. Right. It's not when the time is right. Time is right. Yeah. It's blank or blank check.  Do you know , the actual IMDB?

Yeah, it is. 6. 2. Oh split the difference between us. Yeah,  we were all pretty pretty close pretty close there.  That probably means this movie did not hit a nostalgia bump No, no, and if it did it just got I mean cuz it hit back in the day There's no way it was that low, but I  That, that about wraps it up.

That wraps it up for Casper and ye olde friendly ghost out there.  If you see any ghosts or know any ghosts, don't call the Ghostbusters because they don't want to, they don't want to help you and, really embrace the ghosts because clearly they have a physical side to them.

,  Yeah, and they'll try to keep you. They will try to keep you, but always ask before you touch. I want to end with the tagline of the movie. It was on a movie poster. Get an afterlife. Get an afterlife? That's what it says. Like, got milk? Like, get a life? Get an afterlife. So now my grade went to a 5. 8. , so you know the rules by now.

 We just reached into your childish nightmares, pulled Casper out from your past, found out you can keep it, keep it around. We hope you have a great spooky season and we'll see you next time.